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Subject: March MacScripting digest
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 15:46:26 -0500
From: Fred Terry <[e-mail]>


This is the March digest of the MacScripting mailing list.

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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 09:47:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Kier <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier printing problems

Hello,

I'm running Frontier 3.01 on a Mac IIci with no special
system extensions. Everytime I try to print from Frontier
to my HP DeskWriter, Frontier unexpectedly quits. I am using
the DeskWriter 4.0 appletalk driver, but have tried several
older HP drivers with the same weird behavior. I am having
no problems printing from any other applications.

Anybody else experiencing this problem? Any clues to fixing
it?

Thanks
Chris
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:00:35 GMT0BST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alistair G. Lowe-Norris" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript - RunTime/Developers Differences

Hi there!

Could someone spend the time to explain what differences there are
between the runtime version of AS supplied with the Complete AS
Handbook or the TAO of AS book - and the Developers Kit?

I am considering the purchase of all 3 - but the FAQ is not
particularly helpful in explaining what the differences are except
the price.

What can I not do with the RunTime version that I would need the full
version for?

Thanks for your time.

Alistair.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 11:24:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> AppleScript - RunTime/Developers Differences

Alistair,

The versions supplied with the books are typically 1.0, so the developer's
kit (1.1) is one version ahead (although the books may have caught up by
now). The two most important things you get with the dk are FrontMost, which
allows you to create graphical front-ends to scripts, and the runtime
distribution license, which allows you to distribute the runtime parts with
your script applications. There is, however, some vagueness about the
distribution license.

FrontMost is worth the price, in my opinion. We've written several script
front-ends in it and while it's not perfect, it does create nice interfaces
(no more 4D client for small database tasks!).

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 1, 1994 ------

Hi there!

Could someone spend the time to explain what differences there are
between the runtime version of AS supplied with the Complete AS
Handbook or the TAO of AS book - and the Developers Kit?

I am considering the purchase of all 3 - but the FAQ is not
particularly helpful in explaining what the differences are except
the price.

What can I not do with the RunTime version that I would need the full
version for?

Thanks for your time.

Alistair.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 11:42:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jim Van Peursem <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Developer question

This may be pushing the intent of this list, but I have a question for
the app developers on the list. I currently have an application that
generates registration numbers for our distribution disks. You stick in
an unregistered disk, and it reports the registration number that it
puts in the program. Easy enough.

Now I would like to have this same app send the registration numbers to
FM Pro to put in a database. I've been a Mac programmer for a number of
years now, and have IM 1-6, plus NIM: Text and NIM: IAC, Developer CD's,
etc. Can anyone tell me where to get started on the app side of such a
project? I suspect it will be pretty simple given the limited scope of
the problem. Just stick the number in an AppleEvent and send it to FM
Pro (once it's set up correctly anyway).

Can anyone offer same code, or a pointer to sources I should read?

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jim Van Peursem - Ph.D. Candidate - Ham Radio -> KE0PH        |
| Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Engineering |
| Iowa State University - Ames, IA 50011 : [phone]       |
| internet - [e-mail]  -or-  [e-mail]    |
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 09:40:01 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier printing problems

At  9:47 3/1/94 -0500, Chris Kier wrote:
>I'm running Frontier 3.01 on a Mac IIci with no special
>system extensions. Everytime I try to print from Frontier
>to my HP DeskWriter, Frontier unexpectedly quits.

Thanks for the report.  This isn't something I can check out here (no
DeskWriter available).

I have forwarded your entire message to Doug Baron of UserLand for his
attention.

I will also watch the list for any replies.

--John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 13:50:43 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Comments:     <Parser> W: Invalid RFC822 field - "From wizrdz!hag Tue Mar  1
              12:56:25 1994". Rest of header flushed.
Comments:     <Parser> E: "From:"/"Sender:" field is missing.
From:         Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster <[e-mail]>

>I'm trying to figure out a way to use AppleScript to get the status
>of the serial ports (in use, not in use). Can this be done? I saw a couple

        Well, I wrote a program a few years ago for Frontier, an AppleEvent
serving program that allows access to the serial port (this was before
OSAXen/UCMDs) which among other things would check the Open flag of a
Driver to detect if the Serial port was already open, and included an event
to ask if the serial port was in use. You can get via ftp to
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu as /frontier/PhoneDial2.1.cpt or something like that.
Source is included, so it shouldn't be hard to rip out the serial port open
code for use in an OSAX. If someone does do this, please mention me
somewhere in the credits. Thanks.


   Hag
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:09:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lee K. Hoong" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(5): Event handlers: how?

Mark Aiken writes:
>    This is all very well. I've gotten a handler to work using the
>notation
>
>on <<event ABDCabcd>> of directParam
>    display dialog (directParam as string)
>end <<event ABCDabcd>>
>
>    This works fine. However, I still haven't convinced AS to accept
>paramaters other than the direct one.

Yes, I've noticed that too.

>In my app's 'aete', I define the names for the
>paramaters of a certain event. Let's say the event
>class is 'ABCD' and the event ID is 'abcd'. Let's also say that I have
>a direct parameter and another paramater, keyword '1234', named
>otherParam. All this is in my 'aete', opened from the Script Editor.
>This *does not* work:
>
>on <<event ABCDabcd>> of directParam given otherParam:varName
>    display dialog (varName as string)
>end <<event ABCDabcd>>
>
>    I get the error: "Paramater otherParam is missing from <<event
>ABCDabcd>>. But it isn't. I checked.
>
>    Is there another manual notation like the <<event ABCDabcd>>
>notation that could use to indicate the keyword of my other paramater?
>Something like
>
>on <<event ABCDabcd>> of directParam <<parameter 1234>>:varName ??


>    Final question: all this still doesn't answer my question: why
>isn't AS using my 'aete'? stuff like "on myEventName" *still*
>doesn't work, although manually saying "on <<event ABCDabcd>>" *does*.
>The paramater problems clearly indicates that AS is *not* referring
>to my 'aete' for appropriate vocabulary. Why not?

The commands and objects available to AppleScript come from AS itself as
well as the Scripting Additions that are installed.  The aete resource in
your application only defines the events and objects that your
*application* can handle.  In other words, in tell application
"myApp"...end tell routines.  Using the "on <<event ABCDabcd>>...end
<<event ABCDabcd>>" form of a handler in your script allows events to be
passed to your *script* and the appropriate handler.  It is a lower-level
way of sending and receiving AppleEvents (I think--someone correct me if
I'm wrong).  You can actually send events to the Finder (7.0) from AS this
way.

If you want AS to be able to handle the "on myEventName" type handlers, I
suspect you will have to write it into a Scripting Addition.

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Dept. of Chemistry, Emory University
Internet: [e-mail]  |  America On-line: LHOONG
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only, not for Emory University
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:22:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Evan Kahn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FrontMost

Could someone please send me some info about FrontMost?  Is there a demo of
it, and is there a way to get it without buying the developer's kit?

Thanks in advance....



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  _____   _       _    __
 | ____| | |     | |  / /    Evan L Kahn
 | |__   | |     | | / /     University of Wisconsin
 |  __|  | |     | |< <      DoIT - Depratment of Information and Technology
 | |___  | |___  | | \ \     [e-mail]
 |_____| |_____| |_|  \_\    [e-mail]

                    "Curiouser and curiouser............"

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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 15:31:41 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Interfaces for scripts
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "17 Feb 94 21:04:00 GMT."
              <[e-mail]>

Uncle Dave perhaps you could help Evan out?

>Could someone please send me some info about FrontMost?  Is there a demo of
>it, and is there a way to get it without buying the developer's kit?
>
>Thanks in advance....


pf
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 12:54:26 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Evan Kahn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Script sources

Hi!
      I am new to this server and to scripting in general.  Could someone
please tell me where else I can find information and software (scripting
additions, ftp, other servers, etc) for scipting on the mac?

Thanks in advance....




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  _____   _       _    __
 | ____| | |     | |  / /    Evan L Kahn
 | |__   | |     | | / /     University of Wisconsin
 |  __|  | |     | |< <      DoIT - Depratment of Information and Technology
 | |___  | |___  | | \ \     [e-mail]
 |_____| |_____| |_|  \_\    [e-mail]

                    "Curiouser and curiouser............"

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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:06:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Denis Simard <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Script sources
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Evan Kahn" at
              Mar 1, 94 12:54:26 pm

Evan Kahn wrote:
>
> Hi!
>       I am new to this server and to scripting in general.  Could someone
> please tell me where else I can find information and software (scripting
> additions, ftp, other servers, etc) for scipting on the mac?
>

Try this ftp site: gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.

Good Luck!

Denis

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        DENIS SIMARD                    Universite de Montreal
        ([e-mail])     Etudes cinematographiques
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:25:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tim Keanini <[e-mail]>
Subject:      handling the error?

Hello Frontier People,

TITLE:  Can I handle this error myself?
        (in version 2.0 or 3.0)

I am checking my silly network for people who don't use passwords.
I simply use the file.mountServerVolume verb and if it can mount with ""
in the password field I call them up and invite then to my meeting on
network security.:-0  It is a great meeting by the way.;-)

OK, here is the problem though,
it will return true if and is mounted successfully;
it will return a ERROR if the username or password is invalid. BUMMER!
I wish it returned false if you got the password wrong.

I would like to do this if I could but I guess I cant.
I have 3.0 but I have not installed it, I am installing it right now as
I type this.
Here is some psuedo code of what I am talking about.

        if (file.mountServerVolume (netPath, username, ""))
                // print the username to a file.
                // "" for the password is a no no.
        else
                // print the name and say that it has been checked.

Any help on this would be great.

When I am done with this, when it become a script and not a hack I will
up load it to the site so that all of you can check your nets for these
people who dont use passwords.

Tim Keanini  <[e-mail]>

beeper 415-ILL RAMS
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:42:40 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter N Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Developer question

I'm don't have code, but it's basically a matter of building up AppleEvents
and sending them.  Or you could write a script and the compile and execute
it.

But a simpler solution might be to write the codes to a disk file, and then
write a simple applescript script to process the codes file and send them
to FileMaker.
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis <[e-mail]>       Ph: [phone]
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Date:         Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:52:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lee K. Hoong" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Developer question

Jim Van Peurse writes:
>Now I would like to have this same app send the registration numbers to
>FM Pro to put in a database. I've been a Mac programmer for a number of
>years now, and have IM 1-6, plus NIM: Text and NIM: IAC, Developer CD's,
>etc. Can anyone tell me where to get started on the app side of such a
>project? I suspect it will be pretty simple given the limited scope of
>the problem. Just stick the number in an AppleEvent and send it to FM
>Pro (once it's set up correctly anyway).
>
>Can anyone offer same code, or a pointer to sources I should read?

Filemaker Pro 2.x comes with a Db that has some information on the
AppleEvents and Objects that it supports.  The Db was recently upgraded
with the release of FMP 2.1v2 and may be a good starting point for you...?

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Dept. of Chemistry, Emory University
Internet: [e-mail]  |  America On-line: LHOONG
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only, not for Emory University
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 03:01:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Brannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Problem with SITcomm AS

Whenever I ty using a script that includes the Send File command in
SITcomm, my machine crashes.  An example of the last script I tried is
below.

I drop into macsbug, and this is what I see (I have no idea what this means)=
:

Bus error @ 40818B4A _GetWRefCon+0008
While reading long word from 802704D8 in user data space.

Any ideas?  Could it be an extension conflict (I run a whole mess of them).

The script:

tell application "SITcomm=81"
        activate
        Send Text "rz -y" & return
        Send Files {alias "Earth:Save =9F:Graduate Work:2030:2030 Paper #1:p=
.c"}
end tell


Regards,...Chris
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Christopher B. Brannon                             University of Pittsburgh
[e-mail]                                           Political Science
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 02:03:22 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: handling the error?

At 16:25 3/1/94 -0800, Tim Keanini wrote:

>TITLE:  Can I handle this error myself?
>        (in version 2.0 or 3.0)

>I am checking my silly network for people who don't use passwords.
>I simply use the file.mountServerVolume verb and if it can mount with ""
>in the password field I call them up and invite then to my meeting on
>network security.:-0  It is a great meeting by the way.;-)
>
>OK, here is the problem though,
>it will return true if and is mounted successfully;
>it will return a ERROR if the username or password is invalid. BUMMER!
>I wish it returned false if you got the password wrong.

Starting with Frontier 2.0 you can use the try...else... construct with any
verb which might produce an error, in order to do something about the
error.  See the DocServer page for "Try" for information.

try
   if (file.mountServerVolume (netPath, username, ""))
       // print the username to a file.
       // "" for the password is a no no
else
   // this is a "good" user.  You don't need the else if there's nothing
   // to be done here

beeper 415-ILL RAMS

beep!

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:16:46 GMT0BST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Alistair G. Lowe-Norris" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ISBN of Complete AppleScript Handbook

Can someone email it to me please.

Thanks.

Alistair.
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| Computer Centre, Leicester University,      Non-UK:[e-mail] |
| University Road, Leicester LE1. 7RH., U.K.                              |
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:45:28 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPPP osaxen

Hi folks,

I've just placed a new osax from Mark Alldritt in
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/MacPPP.hqx. It allows you to...
well, let's just let Mark tell us about it....

MacPPP Control is an AppleScript Addition which allows your
scripts limited control over MacPPP.  The addition allows
you to open and close the PPP link, and to check the state
(open/closed) of the link.


Enjoy.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:55:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> FrontMost

If you have AS 1.1, I'd be glad to send you a FrontMost application so you
can see some of the things it can do. The last time I asked on AppleLink, the
only way to get it was through the scripter's and developer's kit.
MacWarehouse has the scripter's kit for $149 (or somewhere close). At the
bottom of this message, you'll find the "About SDU's Interface Builder" from
AppleLink.

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 1, 1994 ------

Could someone please send me some info about FrontMost?  Is there a demo of
it, and is there a way to get it without buying the developer's kit?

Thanks in advance....

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Overview

Frontmost is the interface processor for AppleScript(tm) It lets you create
complete Macintosh(r) applications from scripts. Using Frontmost and
AppleScript,
you can integrate desired functions from any scriptable program into one
double-clickable application, with an interface customized to your needs.

Frontmost's interactive, object-oriented tools let you design applications
that
are as simple or as sophisticated as you need. You can make a simple dialog,
or
build a multiple-window application with custom menus. You begin an
application
by laying out the windows and menus that you will need. You can then import
pictures, icons, or movies. Finally, you write only the scripts necessary to
make the interface and the other scriptable programs work together. The
integrated WYSIWYG editing and execution environment gives you instant
feedback. It fully supports the incremental design, development, and testing
of
even the most complex applications. There's no need to leave Frontmost to try
out your designs.

In addition to its power and control over details, Frontmost makes getting
started easy:  Every interface element automatically behaves as you'd expect,
even without scripting. And when you do need to write scripts, convenient
menus
enter AppleScript statements for you. The "Revert" and "Undo" commands let
you
back out of mistakes and experiments. Test-fly your scripts as you think of
them in the handy command window.

Frontmost's combination of simplicity and flexibility allows you to quickly
deliver professional applications with all the eloquence, subtlety, and power
of the the Macintosh user interface.

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Features (>>) and Benefits (++):

>> Standard windows, menus and all other Macintosh interface elements are
   supported, all with their standard default behaviors.
++ Create applications having standard appearances and behaviors with minimum
   effort.

>> Projects compile into stand-alone, double-clickable applications.
++ Distribute commercial quality applications that look and feel professional
   to your clients.

>> Supports all AppleScript commands and access to all scriptable
applications.
++ Integrate the best parts of other programs into a single custom
application,
   with an integrated interface.

>> AppleScript is an open, standard environment which allows you to access
just
   the parts of a scriptable application that you need.
++ Grow your program's capabilities with every new scriptable application.

>> Frontmost is fourth generation software, based on interface tools that
have
   been shipping since 1989.
++ Rely on a proven, known technology that has been upgraded to provide
leading
   edge capabilities.

>> Fully integrated support for color.
++ Use the full expressive power of color.

>> Integrated design and runtime environment.
++ Develop and try out applications incrementally, for speed and accuracy.

>> Graphical design tools to draw interface elements.
++ Work in an intuitive, WYSIWYG editing environment.

>> Pictures and icons can be imported from any file or application.
++ Use existing graphics, or use graphics created with any application.

>> Supports scriptable "hot-text" (words in text used as buttons).
++ Create "hypertext" linkages between data and interface elements.

>> Accepts "plug-in" menu, list and control definition resources.
++ Extend the number and variety of interface elements (using C, Pascal or
   assembly code).

>> Design-time and run-time access to all properties, contents and behaviors
of
   all interface elements.
++ Customize the appearance and behavior of any element of an application.

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Techinical Specifications

System Requirements
o A 68020 or later processor, 4MB of RAM, a hard disk, System Software 7.0.1
or
  later and AppleScript 1.1 or later.

Capacities
o Up to 9 projects open at once; any number of windows per project; any
number
  of window items per window; any number of menus and menu items; up to
32,767
  characters per script for each project, window and window item.

Interface
o Graphical tools to draw all interface elements.
o Copy and paste all design elements, scripts.
o Import pictures and icons from any file.
o Pixel and grid positioning and sizing.
o Undo, redo and revert projects.
o Easily set properties of all design elements.
o Message window for commands.
o Instant "play" of all interface elements.
o Incremental application design, testing.
o Popup references for messages, properties.
o Find window items by name, index or ID.
o In scripts: find, find next, find in next script.
o Supports extended keyboard functions.
o Create your own design and editing tools.
o Icons: finder and color.
o Pictures: standard formats; fixed or scrolling.

Design Elements
o All interface elements have standard default behaviors and appearances.
o RGB colors for all interface elements.
o Window styles: standard document; modal dialog; floating windoid (palette).
o Buttons: push, radio; checkboxes; icon, animated and picture buttons; radio
  button groups.
o Lists: plain and styled text; icons; pictures; multi-column; draggable;
  multi-selection.
o Text: editable or not; wrapped or not; font, style, color control; key
  filters; scrolling.
o Popups: text, icon, picture, color palettes.
o Gauges: scrollbar, progress bars, counter.
o Movies: QuickTime format.
o Scrolling panes: can contain any other items.
o Drawn graphics: lines and rectangles.
o Menus: standard and application-specific.

Scripting
o Script every project, window, window item.
o Any number of scripts open at one time.
o Supports all of AppleScript.
o Instant "play" of scripts and commands.
o Control all properties of all interface items.
o Fully object-oriented.
o Keystroke and click interception.
o Scriptable interception and control of all window behaviors-open, close,
  zoom, etc.
o Interception and control of all window item behaviors-clicking, scrolling
and
  so forth.
o Fully scriptable menus and menu items.
o Creates stand-alone scriptable applications.

Developer
Software Designs Unlimited Inc.  919/968-4567
1829 East Franklin Street, Suite 1020
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:12:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting SITcomm

I've just placed a stack on gaea that provides some help for scripting
SITcomm. You'll find it in /applescript/docs/sitcommstack.cpt.hqx.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:22:13 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP osaxen

>I've just placed a new osax from Mark Alldritt in
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/MacPPP.hqx. It allows you to...
>well, let's just let Mark tell us about it....
>
>MacPPP Control is an AppleScript Addition which allows your
>scripts limited control over MacPPP.  The addition allows
>you to open and close the PPP link, and to check the state
>(open/closed) of the link.
>

Is there one for us MacSLIP users on the way??  I use Eudora over a SLIP
connection and would love to be able to script the whole transaction.

Tom

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan           "Perhaps the most universal information trap is the...
System Administrator   trap of forgetting what it's like not to know. The
CoVis Project          minute we know something, we forget what it was like
Northwestern Univ.     not to know it."
                                                    --Richard S. Wurman
E-mail: [e-mail]                    "Information Anxiety"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 08:28:48 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ISBN of Complete AppleScript Handbook

>Can someone email it to me please.
>
ISBN 0-679-79148-5
Random House Publishing
Danny Goodman
The Complete AppleScript Handbook

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
A newly poured 14.4 Kbps information superhighway onramp.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 10:37:20 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help!  Damaged applet!

When I try to open (in the Script Editor) an applet I wrote, I get the
message: "Could not read the file because the data is damaged and
unreadable."

Is there any way to recover it?


Desperately,

        Tom

NB: With AppleScript, I'm *creating* applications for the first time, and I
hadn't considered the fact that my back-up software was set to back up
documents only  :'-(


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan           "Perhaps the most universal information trap is the...
System Administrator   trap of forgetting what it's like not to know. The
CoVis Project          minute we know something, we forget what it was like
Northwestern Univ.     not to know it."
                                                    --Richard S. Wurman
E-mail: [e-mail]                    "Information Anxiety"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:17:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Help!  Damaged applet!

At 10:37 3/2/94 -0600, Tom Donovan wrote:

>When I try to open (in the Script Editor) an applet I wrote, I get the
>message: "Could not read the file because the data is damaged and
>unreadable."
>
>Is there any way to recover it?

Well, the only critical part of the file is the 'scpt' resource.  With a
suitably recent and/or suitably set up ResEdit (don't ask...I don't know
how recent, and I don't remember whether I added something), ResEdit can
decompile 'scpt' resources and display the resulting text.  Copy same, and
start over.

[Before trying that, make a copy of your bad applet, in case ResEdit tries
to "fix" the resource fork, and botches the job.]

>NB: With AppleScript, I'm *creating* applications for the first time, and I
>hadn't considered the fact that my back-up software was set to back up
>documents only  :'-(

That's an excellent point.  One which, if you don't mind, I'll share over
in some of the various scripting areas on CompuServe.  It's a little less
critical for Frontier users, since typically a Frontier DeskTop script has
a copy retained in the database, but it's still an issue for us, too.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:43:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP osaxen

At  8:45 3/2/94 -0600, Fred Terry wrote:

>I've just placed a new osax from Mark Alldritt in
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/MacPPP.hqx. It allows you to...
>well, let's just let Mark tell us about it....

Unfortunately, this file appears to be damaged.  No method I have used to
obtain it produces a usable binhex file, and if the warnings about a bad
file are ignored, the resulting StuffIt archive fails verification by
StuffIt.

I've used Anarchie, Fetch, and a plain FTP to my Internet host followed by
grabbing the file from there via Fetch and also via capturing a cat command
into a text file.  [My Internet host doesn't seem to have mcvert.]

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:02:03 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP osaxen

>Hi folks,
>
>I've just placed a new osax from Mark Alldritt in
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/MacPPP.hqx. It allows you to...
>well, let's just let Mark tell us about it....
>
>MacPPP Control is an AppleScript Addition which allows your
>scripts limited control over MacPPP.  The addition allows
>you to open and close the PPP link, and to check the state
>(open/closed) of the link.
>
Unfortunately (because I *need* this capability) the .hqx file seems to be
corrupt. I've downloaded it twice, and it looks normal in an editor, but
Stuffit Deluxe's BinHex decoder thinks that neither fork could be verified,
and when I open the archive, Stuffit Deluxe says it's corrupted.

By the way, I'm assuming that controlling it with Frontier should be simple
too. If it won't be obvious once I get a clean copy, could you tell me how?
Thanks.

        David

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David Lewis               [e-mail]                [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:28:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP osaxen

>MacPPP Control is an AppleScript Addition which allows your
>scripts limited control over MacPPP.  The addition allows
>you to open and close the PPP link, and to check the state
>(open/closed) of the link.

Any chance of an OSAX that can be used with InterSLIP?

Actually, a more universal solution  would be to have an OSAX that can
check the status of the serial port (in use, not in use) and return
true or false.

InterSLIP (and I presume MacSLIP and MacPPP) can be launched and connections
made using a combination of Finder Liaison calls and the AutoType OSAX.

Tell app "Finder Liaison 1.1"
open (a reference to file (Mac:Comm:InterSLIP 1.0"))
end tell
auto type "m" holding "command"

problem is, if the phone line is busy, it exits dialing and InterSLIP
doesn't have an auto dial feature. Applescript could be used to autodial if
an osax existed to detect the serial port status.
Call it "serial":

Global i
set i to 1
On open
if 1 = 1 then
Tell app "Finder Liaison 1.1"
open (a reference to file (Mac:Comm:InterSLIP 1.0"))
end tell
auto type "m" holding "command"
set i to i + 1
else if i = 2
if serial is false then
auto type "m" holding "command"
else
quit
end if
end if
return 10
end open

Comments?

Dave Ray
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:50:49 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      help ?

I am the new user of AppleScript.
1)      When I used "set" or "copy" command with patterns, I got an error
message which was "Access not allowed".
2)      I also can not get the "position" properity of  "Scriptable Text
Editor".
There are also several futures I can not obtain from my "Script Editor" which
comes with the system 7, such as "date", "weekday" ... properities of the
"date".

Can anyone give me some clues about it.

-- Chong
-- [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:37:27 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP osaxen

At 12:28 PM 3/2/94 -0800, David Ray wrote:
>>MacPPP Control is an AppleScript Addition which allows your
>>scripts limited control over MacPPP.  The addition allows
>>you to open and close the PPP link, and to check the state
>>(open/closed) of the link.
>
>Any chance of an OSAX that can be used with InterSLIP?
>
        A scriptable application that can control InterSLIP has been
available (along with full source) at netcom.com:pub/leonardr/Hacks.

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 23:31:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Problem with SITcomm AS

>Whenever I ty using a script that includes the Send File command in
>SITcomm, my machine crashes.  An example of the last script I tried is
>below.
>
        We have found this problem (it doesn't happen all the time), and it
is fixed for our forthcoming 1.0.1 update.  Sorry about that!

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 08:16:30 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "E.J. Draper" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 1 Mar 1994 to 2 Mar 1994

>Any chance of an OSAX that can be used with InterSLIP?

I don't know of an OSAX, but Leonard Rosenthol's InterSLIP/AE application
will allow you to drive InterSLIP from scripts. InterSLIP/AE should ber
available from most of the larger ftp sites...








      |E|J-  ED DRAPER
 rEpar|D|<-  Radiologic/Pathologic Institute
             The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
             [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 09:06:55 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPPP control & stuff

As most of you have gathered, MacPPP was corrupted somehow. Mark sent me a new
copy last night which I downloaded to my Mac and tested. It is now on
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in /applescript/osaxen/MacPPPControl.sit.hqx.

I have also put a copy of Leonard's InterSLIP_AE in
/applescript/scriptableapps/InterSLIP_AE1.0b1.sit.hqx (is it an app?).

As a side note, whenever I make changes or add files to the directories, I
update the /applescript/00index file. Those of you forced to get files via
email can always find the correct path in it.

Sorry for all of the bother.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

Eventually people realized that the Information Superhighway was
essentially CB radio, but with more typing.
 -Dave Barry, "The '90s, Looking Back at the Interactive Salad Bar"
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 09:38:12 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gina Carranza <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Installer Makers

                                           From the Desk of...
                                                                      3/3/94
                                           Georgina E. Carranza       9:32 AM
                                           Installer Makers
Does anyone know of a product that creates Macintosh installers?  I am in the
process of evaluating software from Aladdin called InstallerMaker, but I would
like to evaluate other products that are also InstallerMakers and compare them.
 I have not been successful in finding other products, can someone help me with
this matter.
Thank you,
Gina.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 09:18:34 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Gaines <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re(5): Event handlers: how?

> Lee K. Hoong writes
>
> If you want AS to be able to handle the "on myEventName" type handlers, I
> suspect you will have to write it into a Scripting Addition.
>

If you calling a script as *part* of your application, eg through a
an OSAExecuteEvent call, and you have defined an extra event class in
the aete of your application (or respond to the get aete event with one)
then you can use your defined terminology as the name of a handler
for your event class. I have a number of such events defined for actions
generated within my own windows and sent to scripts attached to those windows.

b.


Brian Gaines              Knowledge Science Institute, University of Calgary
[e-mail]   Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1N4
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 12:00:42 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Kilgore <[e-mail]>
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Subject:      Re: Re(5): Event handlers: how?

Mark Aiken writes:
>    Is there another manual notation like the <<event ABCDabcd>>
>notation that could use to indicate the keyword of my other paramater?
>Something like
>
>on <<event ABCDabcd>> of directParam <<parameter 1234>>:varName ??

Perhaps something like
   on <<event FoooGtVC>> given <<property astr>>:asString, <<property ...>>:...
      if asString then ...
   end <<event FoooGtVC>>
in your script and
    tell app "yourApp" to <event FoooGtVC> given <property astr>:true, ...
in another app or script?  This is so forgiving that you don't need 'GtVC'
or 'astr' defined in the 'aete' resource (or an 'aete' resource at all, for
that matter); and 'yourApp' doesn't even need 'Fooo' as its signature.

I have noticed that Script Editor also rewrites
   on <<event FoooGtVC>> (x, y)
as
   on <<event FoooGtVC>> {x,y}
So a desperate measure might be to pass a list as a pattern parameter; but
that seems even uglier than the preceding.

(On the other hand, I note that the AS Language Guide claims that there is
no way to do optional parameters; so it evidently can't support the full
generality of AE in this regard.)

--
Michael Kilgore     Texas Instruments, Inc.
[phone]      [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 12:31:52 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Sean Elfstrom <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Help

I am having problems with the following script:

on run
        try
                set myFiles to finder selection
        on error
                return
        end try
        set result to myFiles
        open myFiles as list
end run

on open fileList
        repeat with fileName in fileList
                convert(fileName)
        end repeat
end open

on convert(theFile)
        tell application "JPEGView"
                open {theFile as alias}
        end tell

This is with AppleScript 1.0, and Jon's Commands 1.0 for the finder
selection. When I run this, it gives me the following error:

Can't get file "<file name>".

Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

Also, I get errors of type -1728 sometimes. What does this mean?

Thanks.

--
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=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 12:49:58 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Taylor Leaming H3-283 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      InterSLIP/AE source...can't get download it

> I don't know of an OSAX, but Leonard Rosenthol's InterSLIP/AE application
> will allow you to drive InterSLIP from scripts. InterSLIP/AE should ber
> available from most of the larger ftp sites...

For some reason, I can't seem to successfully download the SOURCE CODE for
the InterSLIP/AE app on netcom.com.

Could someone please email me a GOOD binhex copy of this file?  Thanks!

Taylor


    +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
    |   Taylor Leaming                   [e-mail]   |
    |   Motorola, Inc.                                                |
    |   Austin, Texas                                [phone]   |
    +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 12:05:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephanie Sandberg <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Installer Makers

1.) Formerly Salient and Fifth Generation Systems, now Symantec has an
installer
package that you can customize, that uses the DiskDoubler compression tools. I
currently use this for the products we release, which contain over 200 files.

2.) Apple has their own installer package. And there are several companies that
sell tools to use in constructing scripts for the apple installer that are
supposed to simplify the process.
I've heard their newest release of the installer is really hot, but haven't
had much time to look into it myself.

Steph

>                                           From the Desk of...
>                                                                      3/3/94
>                                           Georgina E. Carranza       9:32 AM
>                                           Installer Makers
>Does anyone know of a product that creates Macintosh installers?  I am in the
>process of evaluating software from Aladdin called InstallerMaker, but I would
>like to evaluate other products that are also InstallerMakers and compare them.
> I have not been successful in finding other products, can someone help me with
>this matter.
>Thank you,
>Gina.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 15:45:01 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Gordon Watts -- U of Rochester <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: InterSLIP/AE source...can't get download it

Hi,
  Yes.  I had that problem with Fetch too.  If you turn off binhex decoding and
download, and then use stuffit (figures, eh? :)) to unbinhex it you can get in
it.  I guess something is a little marginal with the binhex.  I didn't
investigate further, so it could be something else.

        Cheers,
                Gordon.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:23:41 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(6: Event handlers: how?
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of WED 02 MAR 1994 21:18:34 EST

>If you calling a script as *part* of your application, eg through a
>an OSAExecuteEvent call, and you have defined an extra event class in
>the aete of your application (or respond to the get aete event with one)
>then you can use your defined terminology as the name of a handler
>for your event class. I have a number of such events defined for actions
>generated within my own windows and sent to scripts attached to those windows.

    Is this perhaps new with AS1.1? I've confirmed that doing an
OSACompile from within my app before OSADoEvent does nothing to help
AS interpret the script's vocabulary correctly. I'm running AS1.0.

    Even so, this means that one *must* provide script-editing windows
and other such support within one's app, since the Script Editor can't
compile such handlers properly. This is somewhat of a drag.

    I've been trying to track down a solution for a little while now,
and I think I've found the most viable courses of action. I'll post
a summary of what I've learned tonight -- I have a few more things to
test.

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:10:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: InterSLIP/AE source...can't get download it

I had a similar problem with the InterSLIP/AE *application* on ftp.netcom.com
in pub/leonardr/Hacks. The unix utility "mcvert" reported an error and
couldn't de-binhex it. However, I downloaded the binhex file and Stuffit
Expander debinhexed it just fine.

-Dave
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 01:44:13 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re(6): Event handlers: how?
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of THU 03 MAR 1994 01:00:42 EST

    For those who are interested (This is of limited usefulness unless,
like me, you're writing an app that benifits from this kind of fun-
ctionality), here's what I've discovered about writing handlers for
Apple Events in AppleScript:

    -- The Script Editor consults 'aete' resources only when compiling
'tell' commands. As a result, it's difficult (not not impossible, see
below) to write handlers with the syntax "on myEvent...". The manual
workaround is:

on <<event ABCDabcd>> of directParam given <<property efgh>>:otherParam.

    This creates a handler for the Apple Event of class ABCD and of
ID abcd, with the direct object parameter being assigned to directParam
and another parameter of keyword type efgh being assigned to otherParam.

    -- At least two people have told me that compiling a script from
within an application with a valid 'aete' should cause AS to refer to
the app's vocabulary when compiling event handlers. I can't seem to get
this to work, but my immediate take on this is that it implies that
one must write script editing facilities into one's app to get this
functionality.

    -- Partial/possible solution: AS always refers to OSAXen 'aete's
when compiling ANYTHING. I checked tonight that creating an OSAX with
the appropriate 'aete' resource will cause the Script Editor to cor-
rectly compile handlers of the form

on myEvent of DirectParam paramLabel anotherParam

    Note that you can use the human-language paramLabel (the name of
the parameter you wish to assign to otherParam) and the real name of
the event.

    This is somewhat of a kludge, however, and I'm debating whether it
would be such a hot idea to ship an app with an "enabler" OSAX that
provides the 'aete' for such attractive-looking syntax, or whether that
would contravene some Thought Police commandment. Thoughts on this
are welcomed.

    That's it. I hope this helps someone -- in particular, it took me
a while to unearth the <<property 1234>> syntax.

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 14:07:31 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Adam C. Engst" <[e-mail]>
Organization: TidBITS
Subject:      SITcomm crashing on Send File

In Regards to your letter <[e-mail]>:
> Whenever I ty using a script that includes the Send File command in
> SITcomm, my machine crashes.  An example of the last script I tried is
> below.
>
> I drop into macsbug, and this is what I see (I have no idea what this means)=
> :
>
> Bus error @ 40818B4A _GetWRefCon+0008
> While reading long word from 802704D8 in user data space.
>
> Any ideas?  Could it be an extension conflict (I run a whole mess of them).

It certainly might be an extension conflict, but I've seen exactly
the same behavior. Interestingly, I get the crash _after_ the file
sends, and the file transfers OK. I just have to log on again (to
BIX in this case) and finish dealing with the file. I don't see the
same behavior manually.

I've already reported this to Leonard...

cheers ... -Adam

--
Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor -- [e-mail] -- [e-mail]
Author of The Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh -- [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:08:00 JST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRAQD44NiEhOTA8IxsoSg==?=
              <[e-mail]>
Subject:      unsubscribe

Please remove my ID from your list.
Maybe I have become a stranger in INTERNET.
I will take part in after some learning.

Hiroji Nishihara / [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:30:28 MST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mel Walker <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Different Dialects, Same Script - How? Possible?

Field-1:
Is it possible (with currently published information) to create a different
 dialect for AppleScript, and still have it compile/parse to the same end result
 as AppleScript does now? Does the spec for the format of script resources exist
 anywhere but in the depths of Apple?

The advantage of this, as I see it, would be that this component would parse and
 compile source code, and the AppleScript component could handle the executing
 part. It might save work on the programmer's part.

--Mel Walker
[e-mail]


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Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:28:22 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Evan Kahn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS 1.1

Hello everyone!
        I was just wondering where I could download a copy of AppleScript
1.1.  All I have is 1.0.

(PS - Just don't tell me that I have to buy it.... )



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 |  __|  | |     | |< <      DoIT - Depratment of Information and Technology
 | |___  | |___  | | \ \     [e-mail]
 |_____| |_____| |_|  \_\    [e-mail]

                    "Curiouser and curiouser............"

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Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:35:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

Ok, I've gotten a good copy of MacPPP Control. I've installed it into
Frontier using the Load OSAX droplet. The script fragment

        if PPPOpened () {
            closePPP ()
            }

works fine if executed from Frontier (placed into a script which is
executed from the Quick Script window). If called from FinderMenu, however,
it will hang the machine if the closePPP () clause is executed. I've tried
various combinations of clock.waitSeconds inserted before and after the
call, and I've also tried Frontier.bringToFront before the fragment is
executed. Nothing so far helps. Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thanks.

        David

------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Lewis               [e-mail]                [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:20:38 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS 1.1
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri,
              04 Mar 94 12:28:22 CST." <[e-mail]>

> Hello everyone!
>         I was just wondering where I could download a copy of AppleScript
> 1.1.  All I have is 1.0.
>
> (PS - Just don't tell me that I have to buy it.... )

I'll let someone else tell you that you have to buy it from MacConnection,
MacWarehouse or APDA. :-/

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:41:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Different Dialects, Same Script - How? Possible?

At 17:30 3/3/94 -0700, Mel Walker wrote:
>Is it possible (with currently published information) to create a different
> dialect for AppleScript, and still have it compile/parse to the same end
>result
> as AppleScript does now? Does the spec for the format of script resources
>exist
> anywhere but in the depths of Apple?

Well, Apple ships English, French, and Japanese dialects with the Developer
Kit form of AppleScript 1.1.  I didn't install the Japanese (having to way
to tell whether what it does is sensible or not).  I have played with the
=46rench.

tell application "Quill"
    make new document
end tell

becomes

utilise l'application "Quill"
   cr=E9e autre document
fin de utilise

[if your mailer doesn't do the quoted stuff, the thing before "autre" is
"cree" with an accent on the first e']

It's real hard to switch in Script Editor:  go into AppleScript
=46ormattting... under the Edit menu.  There's a popup showing all the
installed dialects.  The above change happened instantly when I did that.
If you compile a script in English and send to to a French Mac, it will run
fine, and it will appear in French when opened.

I think Inside Mac: IAC includes everything you need to know [except
afterthoughts which may appear in Tech Notes].  You could create LISP-like
syntax if you wanted to, probably.


-------
Have I missed anything because your mailer doesn't put headers into the
message which cause my mailer (Eudora) to decode the uucoded (I think it
is) part of your message?

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:30:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Scott Trotter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS 1.1

>> Hello everyone!
>>         I was just wondering where I could download a copy of AppleScript
>> 1.1.  All I have is 1.0.
>>
>> (PS - Just don't tell me that I have to buy it.... )
>
>I'll let someone else tell you that you have to buy it from MacConnection,
>MacWarehouse or APDA. :-/
>
>pf


FEI (for everyone's information) I bought the AppleScript Scripter's
Toolkit earlier this week -- here's what I learned: First, none of the
local (Portland) retail computer dealers or software stores carried
AppleScript in any form, not even a normally well-stocked place like
Computer City. I called the 3 major mail-order outfits (Warehouse,
Connnection & Zone), and it was out-of-stock everywhere *except*
MacWarehouse, which had the highest price ($149 + 3). The other 2 places
weren't expecting a new shipment for about 2 weeks. It didn't occur to me
to call APDA, but looking in their catalog just now, I only see the
Software Developers Toolkit, listed for $199 + shipping.

I was also hunting for HyperCard 2.2, which includes the AS 1.1 runtime
kit. All of the above places, *including* MacWarehouse, were out-of-stock.

I went ahead and bought the Scripter's Toolkit because a) I was in a hurry,
and b) I wanted Frontmost. But Evan raises an interesting point. The AS 1.0
runtime components are easily available from a variety of sources such as
System 7 Pro, The Tao of AppleScript, the Developer's CDs and other Apple
support CDs. How does Apple expect those people who've obtained a
legitimate copy of AS 1.0 to upgrade to version 1.1?


======================================================================
Scott Trotter          Desktop Strategies       Beaverton, Oregon, USA
email: [e-mail]    fax: [phone]    voice: 503.641.3741
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 16:25:59 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Taylor Leaming H3-283 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS 1.1

> Hello everyone!
>         I was just wondering where I could download a copy of AppleScript
> 1.1.  All I have is 1.0.
>
> (PS - Just don't tell me that I have to buy it.... )

I have heard that it is available with the latest HyperCard for
developers to distribute....I can't find said package.

If you should get your hands on it, I would like very much to move from
v1.0 that I have to the v1.1, as well.

Thanks,

Taylor
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:11:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AS 1.1

> But Evan raises an interesting point. The AS 1.0
>runtime components are easily available from a variety of sources such as
>System 7 Pro, The Tao of AppleScript, the Developer's CDs and other Apple
>support CDs. How does Apple expect those people who've obtained a
>legitimate copy of AS 1.0 to upgrade to version 1.1?

Apple doesn't expect this (I think), but people who have Danny Goodman's
Complete AppleScript Handbook can order an update disk which includes
AppleScript 1.1 and a discussion of the changes (that is, the changes AS
1.1 causes in the book).  And perhaps other stuff.  To quote Danny:

-------
Yes, you can order the $4.95 diskette from Random House by phone.  It
contains AS 1.1 runtime software plus: an RTF file with about 50pp more
book with explanations of 1.1 features and enhancements; a sample Frontmost
application; the Frontmost runtime extension.  Call Random House at
800-733-3000 (or 212-572-6045 int'l) and order the AppleScript Handbook
Update Disk,
ISBN 0-679-75537-3.
---------

There were problems recently with the pricing...they should have been
ironed out (at least, late last week a Random House VP said they would be
ironed out this week).  Prices which have been charged include $4.75, $4.75
plus $2 shipping, and $2 shipping (it appears there were multiple SKUs with
different prices in their order system).

I said owners of the book can order this.  But the order people aren't
demanding proof of ownership ("read the second paragraph on page 300" would
work, I suppose).

And, I understand that APDA still can be talked out of the $20 "runtime"
AppleScript package, in 1.1 form.  At least, one person reported having
been able to do so.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:21:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      Re(2): Problem with SITcomm AS

Leonard Rosenthal writes, among other things:

> ...our forthcoming 1.0.1 update.

*smile*

Do we know the release date for 1.0.1?

Thanks from a SITComm lover,
Jay

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speak for anyone else.      -==- unless otherwise explicitly stated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:23:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bob Snyder <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Word Wrapping under AppleScript

Anyone have any code under AppleScript which does word wrapping?

I need to convert a variable without returns into one that is wrapped to
less than 80 characters.  I would think that I could just start at
character 80 of the paragraph, and move in until I find a space (or if I
don't, move out from 80 until one is found).

Bob

--
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=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 11:00:54 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Michel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AS word wrap

Bob Snyder wanted to know about doing word wrap by AppleScript. Here's a
handler I wrote in an afternoon, but haven't really tested. If anyone improves
it, I'd like to see the code.

Call with:

copy wordWrap(1,75,theText) to theText

Steve

to wordWrapText(startChar, lineLength, theText)
 -- Recursively breaks a chunk of text into lines that are each less than
lineLength long.
 -- It won't make short lines longer!
 copy startChar + lineLength to endChar
 if startChar > length of theText then -- past the end? then unwind recursion
  return ""
 end if
 if endChar > length of theText then -- will we go past the end?
  return characters startChar thru (length of theText) of theText as text
 end if
 if character endChar of theText is space then -- are we going to break on a
space?
  return (characters startChar thru endChar of theText as text) & return & ~
   wordWrapText(endChar + 1, lineLength, theText)
 else -- not a space, so count backwards
  repeat with x from endChar to startChar by -1
   if character x of theText is in "\r.,!-" then
    return (characters startChar thru (x - 1) of theText as text) & return & ~
     wordWrapText(x + 1, lineLength, theText)
   end if
  end repeat
 end if
end wordWrapText
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 07:41:00 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

>Ok, I've gotten a good copy of MacPPP Control. I've installed it into
>Frontier using the Load OSAX droplet. The script fragment
>
>        if PPPOpened () {
>            closePPP ()
>            }
>
>works fine if executed from Frontier (placed into a script which is
>executed from the Quick Script window). If called from FinderMenu, however,
>it will hang the machine if the closePPP () clause is executed. I've tried
>various combinations of clock.waitSeconds inserted before and after the
>call, and I've also tried Frontier.bringToFront before the fragment is
>executed. Nothing so far helps. Any assistance would be appreciated.
>Thanks.

Humm, I'm no sure what to say.  I use MacPPP Control in a series of
AppleScript script applications which I execute from MenuChoice.  I also
have scripts running from my Scheduler application useing MacPPP Control
with no trouble.

I don't have Frontier on my system so I can't test with it.  I'm willing to
supply the source for the MacPPP Control OSAX if thet will help you address
the problem.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 12:59:06 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      address for Main Event Software?

Does anybody have contact information for Main Event Software (developers
of the Scripter development enviroment)? The FAQ doesn't currently have
it... TIA.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 5 Mar 1994 13:51:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: address for Main Event Software?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat,
              05 Mar 94 12:59:06 CST." <[e-mail]>

>Does anybody have contact information for Main Event Software (developers
>of the Scripter development enviroment)? The FAQ doesn't currently have
>it... TIA.

Main Event's phone number is 202-298-9595.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:58:01 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

>
>I don't have Frontier on my system so I can't test with it.  I'm willing to
>supply the source for the MacPPP Control OSAX if thet will help you address
>the problem.
>
>-Mark

Well, I'd be happy to try. I can't make any guarantees, but I'll forward it
to some of the folks at UserLand if nothing leaps out at me. The only
danger is that I might learn something.

        David

------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Lewis               [e-mail]                [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:13:59 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Y. Doug Uno" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript Eudora to Excel

I am trying to collect data from Eudora and make the worksheet of those data
on Excel.  I could handle getting data from Eudora, but Excel seems me very
choosy.  I used "open dictionary", I read "XL4 document" in
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
But I could not figure out.

My applescript is as follows.  Could you help me fill up the Excel part?

******************************
tell application "Eudora2.0.1"
        set N to CountElements Mailbox "In" of Mail Folder "" each Message
        repeat with i from 1 to N by 1
                set S to GetData the Sender of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set D to GetData the Date of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set Sub to GetData the Subject of Message i of Mailbox "In"
of Mail Folder ""
                tell application "Microsoft Excel"

                -- I NEED YOUR HELP HERE!
                -- making spreadsheet which have 3 columns
                -- 1st column is for S (sender)
                -- 2nd column is for D (date)
                -- 3rd column is for Sub (subject)

                end tell
        end repeat
end tell
*****************************

Thanks in advance.

//Doug Uno  -- [e-mail]  --  University of Illinois
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:05:33 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ClarisWorks support AppleScript?

At $29 for a copy to replace the copy of Claris Resolve that I bought a
while back, was wondering if ClarisWorks supports AppleScript. Anyone know?

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
Seen on the net: "High Level CIA Person = $1.5 Million,
Clipper-Chip Escrow Officer = $?"
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:04:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Herb Schilling <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?

>At $29 for a copy to replace the copy of Claris Resolve that I bought a
>while back, was wondering if ClarisWorks supports AppleScript. Anyone know?
>

Hello,

 Sorry I don't know the answer but I was wondering where you heard about
the $29 sidegrade ? Thanks.

--
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Cleveland Ohio 44135 [phone] Fax:[phone] [e-mail]
AppleLink: SCHILLING.H
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:20:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Dennis Gately <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support Appl

                   RE>ClarisWorks support Appl
In answer to:

>At $29 for a copy to replace the copy of Claris Resolve that I bought a
>while back, was wondering if ClarisWorks supports AppleScript. Anyone know?
>

ClarisWorks 2.0v1 supports the following:

The required AppleEvent Suite

   Quit
   Print
   Open Doc
   Open application

A Core Subset, consisting of:

   Get Data
   Set Data

& the objects:

   Document
   Record
   Field
   Cell

That's what opening ClarisWorks as an AppleScript Dictionary tells me!
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:48:58 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?

Currently, ClarisWorks does not include AS support, but it is planned for the
next release (according to Claris). Be sure to talk to any Claris people you
know about Object Model support! The more people ask for it, the better the
chances are that it'll be implemented quickly.

The $29 sidegrade was announced on America Online (at least that's where I
found it), and I also just got a letter from Claris in the mail.

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 8, 1994 ------

Hello,

 Sorry I don't know the answer but I was wondering where you heard about
the $29 sidegrade ? Thanks.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:45:40 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Network Manager <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Eudora to Excel

>From 10:30 am Mar, 7 through 12 Noon March 8, there was an intermittent
problem with the software that handles messages between UnixMail and
MacMail.  This problem caused some messages to be sent to an error queue
instead of to the indicated MacMail or UnixMail recipient(s).

A message from your e-mail account was included in this error queue.  If you
originated this message from UnixMail, it was not delivered to the MacMail
recipient(s).  If you originated this message from MacMail, it was not
delivered to the UnixMail recipient(s).

We apologize for any inconvenience this software problem has caused you.

New York E-Mail Group.


_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Macintosh Scripting Systems on Tue, Mar 8, 1994 4:50 AM
Subject: AppleScript Eudora to Excel
To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT

I am trying to collect data from Eudora and make the worksheet of those data
on Excel.  I could handle getting data from Eudora, but Excel seems me very
choosy.  I used "open dictionary", I read "XL4 document" in
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
But I could not figure out.

My applescript is as follows.  Could you help me fill up the Excel part?

******************************
tell application "Eudora2.0.1"
        set N to CountElements Mailbox "In" of Mail Folder "" each Message
        repeat with i from 1 to N by 1
                set S to GetData the Sender of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set D to GetData the Date of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set Sub to GetData the Subject of Message i of Mailbox "In"
of Mail Folder ""
                tell application "Microsoft Excel"

                -- I NEED YOUR HELP HERE!
                -- making spreadsheet which have 3 columns
                -- 1st column is for S (sender)
                -- 2nd column is for D (date)
                -- 3rd column is for Sub (subject)

                end tell
        end repeat
end tell
*****************************

Thanks in advance.

//Doug Uno  -- [e-mail]  --  University of Illinois
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:58:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Kline <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Eudora to Excel

Doug Uno Wrote the following

>_______________________________________________________________________________
>From: Macintosh Scripting Systems on Tue, Mar 8, 1994 4:50 AM
>Subject: AppleScript Eudora to Excel
>To: Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT
>
>I am trying to collect data from Eudora and make the worksheet of those data
>on Excel.  I could handle getting data from Eudora, but Excel seems me very
>choosy.  I used "open dictionary", I read "XL4 document" in
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.
>But I could not figure out.
>
>My applescript is as follows.  Could you help me fill up the Excel part?
>
>******************************
>tell application "Eudora2.0.1"
>        set N to CountElements Mailbox "In" of Mail Folder "" each Message
>        repeat with i from 1 to N by 1
>                set S to GetData the Sender of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
>Mail Folder ""
>                set D to GetData the Date of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
>Mail Folder ""
>                set Sub to GetData the Subject of Message i of Mailbox "In"
>of Mail Folder ""
>                tell application "Microsoft Excel"
>
>                -- I NEED YOUR HELP HERE!
>                -- making spreadsheet which have 3 columns
>                -- 1st column is for S (sender)
>                -- 2nd column is for D (date)
>                -- 3rd column is for Sub (subject)
>
>                end tell
>        end repeat
>end tell
>*****************************
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>//Doug Uno  -- [e-mail]  --  University of Illinois

The following script seems to acomplish what Doug is requesting.  The only
issue is that to get the script to compile on my machine I need to add the
word "each" before the word message in line 6.  It then proceeds to be
eliminated at compile.  Any comments on that issue?


tell application "Microsoft Excel 4.0"
        activate
        make new Document
end tell
tell application "Eudora 2.0.2fc1-3.94"
        set N to CountElements Mailbox "In" of Mail Folder ""  each Message
        repeat with i from 1 to N by 1
                set S to GetData the Sender of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set D to GetData the Date of Message i of Mailbox "In" of
Mail Folder ""
                set Sub to GetData the Subject of Message i of Mailbox "In"
of Mail Folder ""
                tell application "Microsoft Excel 4.0 '"
                        copy S to Cell ("R" & i & "C1")
                        copy D to Cell ("R" & i & "C2")
                        copy Sub to Cell ("R" & i & "C3")
                end tell
        end repeat
end tell


Rich

----------
Richard Kline
Synopsys, Inc.                             e-mail: [e-mail]
700 East Middlefield Road                  phone : [phone]
Mountain View, CA 94043-4033               fax   : [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:34:18 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support Appl

>                   RE>ClarisWorks support Appl
>In answer to:
>
>>At $29 for a copy to replace the copy of Claris Resolve that I bought a
>>while back, was wondering if ClarisWorks supports AppleScript. Anyone know?
>>
>
>ClarisWorks 2.0v1 supports the following:
>
>The required AppleEvent Suite
>
>   Quit
>   Print
>   Open Doc
>   Open application
>
>A Core Subset, consisting of:
>
>   Get Data
>   Set Data
>
>& the objects:
>
>   Document
>   Record
>   Field
>   Cell
>
>That's what opening ClarisWorks as an AppleScript Dictionary tells me!

The reality is that the Required Events work sometimes and the subset of
the core not at all. I was trying to use ClarisWorks as a "tutorial" for
AppleEvents, since I know CW pretty well, and doing nothing but crashing.
Claris Tech Support informed me that "ClarisWorks does not officially
support AppleEvents." Privately, I was told that one call _would_ work, but
I didn't understand it and wasn't in any mood by that time to even save
what the syntax of it was. Sorry.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:34:24 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?

>>At $29 for a copy to replace the copy of Claris Resolve that I bought a
>>while back, was wondering if ClarisWorks supports AppleScript. Anyone know?
>>
>
>Hello,
>
> Sorry I don't know the answer but I was wondering where you heard about
>the $29 sidegrade ? Thanks.
>

It's in this week's MacWeek - there's an 800 number to call with your
Resolve serial number at hand and they will trade you ClarisWorks, for
$29.00, for Resolve which they'll stop selling at the end of this month and
supporting at the end of March, 1995.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:41:07 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      capabilities of OSAX

                      capabilities of OSAX
I'm just starting to come up to speed on AppleScript having been a Frontier
user for sometime. The most intriguing aspect of its architecture are these
external commands, the osaxen (great name by the way).

I have a specific use in mind. I would like to be able to launch a copy of
Frontier Runtime on a remote Mac from my desk. As is, there's no way to do this
short of having some other scriptable, Apple Event aware app running on the
remote machine that can send Runtime the app launch event.

Would it be possible to call a osax on the remote machine and have it launch
Runtime? This would have the advantage of not requiring any other apps. I guess
the question--or one of many-- is how aware is the AppleScript runtime engine?

Mark Stewart
Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:28:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lee K. Hoong" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontmost: Need help with Metas!

Help!

I've created a window in the Frontmost interface builder that has a listbox
with the form List-with-metas so that I can display columnar text in a
scrolling list.  Unfortunately, I cannot set up the list with any items
that begin with any of the meta control characters [<O, <B, <I, (, etc].
Is there a way to turn off the list formatting in some cases while leaving
it on in others, all in the same listbox? I want a columnar list that looks
like:

<Begin>    <End>
<Old>      <New>
(more)     (less)

The formatting with the meta control characters also get in the way in
pop-up menus if any of your menu items contain a parenthesis; the item will
be disabled.  Any workaround?

Uncle Dave, are you there?

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Dept. of Chemistry, Emory University
Internet: [e-mail]  |  America On-line: LHOONG
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only, not for Emory University
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 20:25:44 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Crawford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support Appl
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Richard
              Millward" at Mar 8, 94 7:34 pm

>
> The reality is that the Required Events work sometimes and the subset of
> the core not at all. I was trying to use ClarisWorks as a "tutorial" for
> AppleEvents, since I know CW pretty well, and doing nothing but crashing.
> Claris Tech Support informed me that "ClarisWorks does not officially
> support AppleEvents." Privately, I was told that one call _would_ work, but
> I didn't understand it and wasn't in any mood by that time to even save
> what the syntax of it was. Sorry.

Yeah?  Well, they're weenies.  Writeswell Jr. supports Apple Events and you
can get the source code for free.

The one on the net is a little out of date.  Send me your postal adress and
I will mail you a floppy with the source code and the word services
Apple Event suite specification.  Someday I'll get around to uploading the
update, but I want to fix some more stuff first.  The source and protocol
spec contain a lot of tutorial material.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 8 Mar 1994 20:32:56 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Crawford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Richard
              Kline" at Mar 8, 94 4:58 pm

PS.  Here's where you can get writeswell jr. off the net:

Mike Crawford           | Author of the Word Services Apple Event Suite.
[e-mail] | Free Mac Source Code: ftp sumex-aim.stanford.edu
                        | get /info-mac/dev/src/writeswell-jr-102-c.hqx

PS.  I'm speaking on it at MacHack '94 in June.  Here is my abstract:

The Word Services Apple Event Suite
Michael D. Crawford
Product Development Manager
Working Software, Inc.

The Word Services Apple Event Suite allows any application to link to
a speller, grammar checker or other text service as if it was a
built-in menu item.  Working Software developed the protocol in
cooperation with our competitors in the spelling business, as well as
several grammar checker, database and word processor publishers, and
Apple Computer, Inc.  It is probably the simplest useful thing that a
developer can do with Apple Events.

Word Services is designed to be very easy for client programs to
implement - the client (or word processor) needs only to send a single
Apple Event to a server program (or spellchecker) and then resume its
event loop.  The server takes over control of the protocol, retrieving
and changing text in the client program's document by using a small
subset of Core Suite Apple Events.  The complete source code to
Writeswell Jr. will be distributed along with the protocol specification.
Writeswell Jr. is a simple word processor that supports Word Services,
and is provided as an example that developers may use to add support for
the protocol to their own applications.

Word Services applications have been shipping for over a year and a half.
Spellers are available in a number of languages, and client programs ranging
from a curriculum planner with a total of ten users to a major word
processor have adopted the protocol.  Mr. Crawford will reflect on the
long process of developing and promoting an industry standard protocol.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Mar 1994 07:32:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         King Rhoton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Full text searches

So, I've been able to cobble together an AppleScript for use with MacHTTP
to do full text searches of a given web folder, but the problem is that
even on a quadra, it takes about 40 seconds to search less than 300K.  Can
anyone suggest a scriptable application that can I might be able to "drive"
through aplescript to do the text searches faster?  I looked at UltraFind
after all the rave reviews, but it doesn't have an "aete,"  so that's not
it.

Thanks,

King Rhoton                                             [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:33:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Seitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      RE>Full text searches

King Rhoton <[e-mail]> writes:
<<So, I've been able to cobble together an AppleScript for use with MacHTTP
to do full text searches of a given web folder, but the problem is that
even on a quadra, it takes about 40 seconds to search less than 300K.  Can
anyone suggest a scriptable application that can I might be able to "drive"
through aplescript to do the text searches faster?  I looked at UltraFind
after all the rave reviews, but it doesn't have an "aete,"  so that's not
it.<<

You should be asking on the MacHTTP list instead of here!  A couple of us on
the list are using HyperCard as a back end.  Unfortunately, it's still not
super fast, and you have to work with 32K chunks (maximum field size).  Our
company is investigating AppleSearch as an engine, but we have determined just
what's there in terms of AppleScript or Event support yet (the text search
folks don't know how to feed back enough info to the requester).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:14:24 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jim Van Peursem <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue,
              08 Mar 1994 20:32:56 PST."
              <[e-mail]>

>PS.  Here's where you can get writeswell jr. off the net:
>
>Mike Crawford           | Author of the Word Services Apple Event Suite.
>[e-mail] | Free Mac Source Code: ftp sumex-aim.stanford.edu
>                        | get /info-mac/dev/src/writeswell-jr-102-c.hqx

  Except that sumex is broke and down for awhile. :)

---

-Jim
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:07:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Full text searches

AppleSearch. ;-)

Sorry, I don't know of any cost-effective solution!

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 9, 1994 ------

So, I've been able to cobble together an AppleScript for use with MacHTTP
to do full text searches of a given web folder, but the problem is that
even on a quadra, it takes about 40 seconds to search less than 300K.  Can
anyone suggest a scriptable application that can I might be able to "drive"
through aplescript to do the text searches faster?  I looked at UltraFind
after all the rave reviews, but it doesn't have an "aete,"  so that's not
it.

Thanks,

King Rhoton                                             [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 9 Mar 1994 18:12:28 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Kilgore <[e-mail]>
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Subject:      max script size?

Well, I seem to have rammed into a Script Editor (1.0.1) limit on script
size, namely about 102.7K (the size of the scpt resource in my file).  I
suppose something of that size might be regarded as rather perverted to
begin with, but I was hoping to ignore some finding/loading management
issues for a bit.  Can anyone offer words of wisdom?  Tks much.

--
Michael Kilgore     Texas Instruments, Inc.
[phone]      [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Mar 1994 09:09:00 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "john (j.r.) walsh" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      SIGNON MACSCRP

SIGNON MACSCRP
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Mar 1994 08:32:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      @#%$ Dates!!

Well, AppleScript has yet to get date manipulations right, IMHO. I can get
the "date string of", which returns whatever the Time & Date control panel is
set to display (i.e. "March 10, 1994", "Thursday, March 10, 1994", etc.). I
need the date in a string of the form "Month day year".

OK, I think to myself, I can get the "month of", which returns March. Well, I
can't seem to be able to coerce this into anything usable. No string (or
text), no integer, no nothing (actually, it can be put in a list - WOW)! It
turns out that these are "constants", and constants can't be coerced into
anything but lists.

So, does anyone have a good way to solve this problem short of writing a
(long) handler to get the info I want? Any osaxen out there to do this?

Thanks,
Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:30:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: capabilities of OSAX

At 19:41 3/8/94 +0000, mark stewart wrote:

>I'm just starting to come up to speed on AppleScript having been a Frontier
>user for sometime. The most intriguing aspect of its architecture are these
>external commands, the osaxen (great name by the way).

A simple Scripting Addition of the verb handling kind is exactly the same
as a Frontier UCMD.  The same source code can be used to build both (and a
Scripting Addition can be called from Frontier once you discover the Apple
event it is expecting).  If a Scripting Addition needs resources to do its
thing, the similarity with the UCMD becomes weaker.

>I have a specific use in mind. I would like to be able to launch a copy of
>Frontier Runtime on a remote Mac from my desk. As is, there's no way to do this
>short of having some other scriptable, Apple Event aware app running on the
>remote machine that can send Runtime the app launch event.
>
>Would it be possible to call a osax on the remote machine and have it launch
>Runtime? This would have the advantage of not requiring any other apps. I guess
>the question--or one of many-- is how aware is the AppleScript runtime engine?

I don't think so.  A Scripting Addition's Apple event handler gets posted
as a System handler (it can have more than one).  At a minimum, you would
need to address an event to something running on the remote machine,
knowing that that something doesn't process the event (doesn't have a
'****', '****' wildcard handler, for instance).  Would addressing the
Finder on the remote machine work for that purpose?  I'm not
sure...experiment to follow.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Mar 1994 11:12:23 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>

Previously, I said in part:
>At 19:41 3/8/94 +0000, mark stewart wrote:

>>Would it be possible to call a osax on the remote machine and have it launch
>>Runtime? This would have the advantage of not requiring any other apps. I
>>>>guess
>>the question--or one of many-- is how aware is the AppleScript runtime engine?
>

>I don't think so.  A Scripting Addition's Apple event handler gets posted as
>a System handler (it can have more than one).  At a minimum, you would need
>to address an event to something running on the remote machine, knowing that
>that something doesn't process the event (doesn't have a '****', '****'
>wildcard handler, for instance).  Would addressing the Finder on the remote
>machine work for that purpose?  I'm not sure...experiment to follow.

Experiment notes:
1.  Finder 7.1 seems not to allow System event handlers to operate when it
is the addressed application for a remote event (that wasn't a hugh
surprise).  [Note that Finder 7.1 also does not have an 'aete', so from
AppleScript one needs to create "generic" events.

2.  Finder 7.1.3 WITH the "Finder Scripting Extension" does seem to allow
System event handers to operate on events it doesn't process itself.
[Finder 7.1.3 comes with System 7 Pro and does have an 'aete', but is no
more scriptable than Finder 7.1.  The Finder Scripting Extension is part of
the AppleScript Developers Toolkit, and modernizes the Finder with respect
to Apple events.  It is not yet generally available.

So, without that software, you don't gain much from a hypothetical
Scripting Addition running on your remote machine, I guess.
--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:32:00 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Quinn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Full text searches

>So, I've been able to cobble together an AppleScript for use with MacHTTP
>to do full text searches of a given web folder, but the problem is that
>even on a quadra, it takes about 40 seconds to search less than 300K.  Can
>anyone suggest a scriptable application that can I might be able to "drive"
>through aplescript to do the text searches faster?  I looked at UltraFind
>after all the rave reviews, but it doesn't have an "aete,"  so that's not
>it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>King Rhoton                                             [e-mail]


Maybe you could try OnLocation. I have not tried it's AE abilities, but it
does have a Query Suite and has the advantage of building indexes in the
background.

Jeremy Quinn

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=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 10:29:58 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new items on gaea

I've uploaded some new items to gaea that some of you might be interested in.

There is a new version of MacPPP. In MacPPP Control 1.1 example scripts are
stored as text files instead of script applications to allow backward
compatibility with AS 1.0. Mark also corrected his email address. You'll also
find a new version of Mount Vol osax in the osaxen directory. It now includes an
nslookup osaxen and the source code.

You'll find a brief document describing the Apple Event changes from from
FileMaker Pro 2.0v4 Mac to 2.1v1. You'll also notice that I've started placing
the monthly mailing list digests in the /docs/digests directory.

There is a new version of FolderWatcher in the addons directory. And I have
gathered several scripts from other sources.

The Parse script is an AppleScript version of a natural language parser. Be
warned that it can be slow. There are a collection of scripts for Canvas 3.0.
I tried to use them with 3.5 and didn't have much luck--read that as my Mac
froze. The GraphSearch script is an implementation of the GraphSearch
algorithm in AppleScript. And the Level6Scripts contains a number of scripts
that you'll find useful with OSA Menu: Show Folder Size Off/On, Convert to SD
Archive, Path to Clipboard, Remove .sea Code, and Append to Clippings File.

I've appended the paths to these goodies. Have fun.

pf

applescript/osaxen/MacPPPControl.sit.hqx
applescript/osaxen/MountVolosax.sit.hqx
applescript/docs/FMProChanges.txt
applescript/docs/digests/feb94
applescript/addons/FW2.0.3.sit.hqx
applescript/scripts/PARSE.sit.hqx
applescript/scripts/CanvasDemoScripts.sit.hqx
applescript/scripts/GraphSearch.sit.hqx
applescript/scripts/LEVEL6ScriptsVol1.sit.hqx
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:47:49 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New member - questions about scripting Eudora

First off, hello -- I just joined the list.  I don't seem to be getting too
many messages (exactly one so far), so hopefully I am actually getting the
full message feed....

I've just started using AppleScript.  It's seems fantastic and I've had
some success scripting for StuffitDeluxe, but I've run into some problems
trying to figure out how to script Eudora 1.4.2.  According to Eudora's
dictionary, the "get" command "Works for message & mailbox properties,
fields, and whole messages."  It also says that if you omit the reference,
it defaults to the "current" message.

Leaving off the reference always returns an error from Eudora.  In
particular I'm trying to get the "isOutgoing" property for the "current"
message, which I presume means the topmost open message window (correct)?
I'm using the following test script:

    tell application "Eudora1.4.2"
        copy (get IsOutgoing) to openMessageToSend

        if openMessageToSend then
            display dialog "Open message to send"
        else
            display dialog "No open message to send"
        end if

    end tell


Running this returns an error on "IsOutgoing" saying:

    Eudora1.4.2 got an error: Can't get IsOutgoing.

Note that it works fine if I use:

    copy (get IsOutgoing of message 1) to openMessageToSend

However, I really have a more fundamental question, because even if I could
leave out the reference, I suspect this wouldn't do what I want.  The
problem is that if I reference message 1, but there is no message 1, then
the script stops with an error.  Is there any way that I can find out IF
there are message windows open (or better, get a list of open windows)?
Sorry if the answer to this is extremely basic -- in many ways I find
AppleScript intuitive, but in others I'm finding it pretty confusing.

Any help is appreciated,

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:54:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Seitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MacHTTP list

A number of people have asked me how to join the listserver for MacHTTP
discussion.  Here's the poop:

email to: [e-mail]
body: subscribe machttp_talk firstname lastname
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 11:28:44 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Remote Launching

>>Would it be possible to call a osax on the remote machine and have it launch
>>Runtime? This would have the advantage of not requiring any other apps.

The 7.x Finders allow remote launching.  All you need is the exact location
of the program you want to launch.  Here's a snippet from the Finder
Scripting Toolkit v1.0, Freeware by Daniel Ranson.  I highly recommend this
script.  It should be on gaea.

--
--      RemoteOpenObjectsWithZone
--
--      Opens a list of Finder objects, as if they were double-clicked in the
--      Finder.
--      This variant sends the command to a remote Finder in any zone.
--      The aliases must be meaningful to this remote Finder.
--
--      Parameters
--              cont (alias) : folder containing the objects.
--              objs (alias list) : objects to open.
--              mach (string) : name of remote machine.
--              zn (string) : name of zone.
--
--      Examples
--              RemoteOpenObjectsWithZone(alias "Disk:", {alias "Disk:file",
--              alias "Disk:folder:"}, "Bob's Mac", "2nd floor")
--
on RemoteOpenObjectsWithZone(cont, objs, mach, zn)
        tell application "Finder" of machine mach of zone zn to -- continued
                <<event FNDRsope>> cont given <<class fsel>>:objs
end RemoteOpenObjectsWithZone

Note that this script has been munged for the mailer.  The << & >> are
option-\ and option-shift-\.  Some lines have been broken for clarity and
need to be rejoined or used with an option-l continuation character.

In addition, in AS 1.1, there is a osiz resource which determines (among
other things) whether an osax will should get remote events.  I believe the
default is no.  I think this means that in AS 1.0 osaxen cannot receive
remote events, but I don't really recall.

>I don't think so.  A Scripting Addition's Apple event handler gets posted
>as a System handler (it can have more than one).  At a minimum, you would
>need to address an event to something running on the remote machine,
>knowing that that something doesn't process the event (doesn't have a
>'****', '****' wildcard handler, for instance).

Even if an app uses a wildcard handler (as many apps do) or handles the
specific event, if it returns errAEEventNotHandled (-1708) then the event
will go to the system event handler anyhow.

>The Finder Scripting Extension is part of
>the AppleScript Developers Toolkit, and modernizes the Finder with respect
>to Apple events.  It is not yet generally available.

All you need is $$$.  In my mind, this makes it generally available.  Many
of us _are_ in America and $$$ is the name of the game here.

If you have $199 (or someone who can pay for you, like your employer) or
$99 for the upgrade (if you bought the AS 1.0 CD) and want the scriptable
Finder (well worth the money if you are into that sort of thing) then order
the AS 1.1 CD from APDA.  It makes utility scripts much simpler.

>So, without that software, you don't gain much from a hypothetical
>Scripting Addition running on your remote machine, I guess.

As I pointed out above, you don't even need an osax to do this.

Jon

PS

I've got a beta of Jon's Commands 1.1 ready.  It adds a copyFile command
and handles lists of files in deleteFile, moveFile and copyFile.  It also
adds text to fsspec coercions (darned handy).  If you are interested in
testing it, let me know.  I want some people who are capable of exercising
it well.

If you have any other suggestions for osaxen, let me know.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:41:24 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Vinod Kurup <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Events

>
>Experiment notes:
>1.  Finder 7.1 seems not to allow System event handlers to operate when it
>is the addressed application for a remote event (that wasn't a hugh
>surprise).  [Note that Finder 7.1 also does not have an 'aete', so from
>AppleScript one needs to create "generic" events.

I have a question about sending Finder 7.1 generic events.

I tried:

tell application "Finder" to <<event FNAEempt>>
                              ^        ^
                              these characters are opt-\ & opt-| respectively

       (I can't remember the capitalization of the event, but I got it by using
        John Baxter's trick of sending the event through "Finder Liaison" and
        then removing Finder Liaison from my disk)

I also tried:

<<event FNAEempt>>

Both of them just sat there pretending to do something, but not really
doing anything.

Can the Finder be scripted this way?

Thanks for any info,

Vinod

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Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 13:53:37 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Vinod Kurup <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Events

>I have a question about sending Finder 7.1 generic events.
>
>I tried:
>
>tell application "Finder" to <<event FNAEempt>>

Well, I just read Jon Pugh's message and note that to do an open selection
event to the finder, you have to do <<FNDRsope>> This made me realize that
'FNAE' was probably an event that FinderLiaison understands and that the
Finder understands.

tell application "Finder" to <<event FNDRempt>>

        empties the trash perfectly!

Hope this helps somebody besides me.

Vinod


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Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 12:49:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Finder Events

At 13:41 3/11/94 -0600, Vinod Kurup wrote:
>I have a question about sending Finder 7.1 generic events.
>
>I tried:
>
>tell application "Finder" to <<event FNAEempt>>
>                              ^        ^
>                              these characters are opt-\ & opt-| respective=
ly
>
>       (I can't remember the capitalization of the event, but I got it by u=
sing
>        John Baxter's trick of sending the event through "Finder Liaison" a=
nd
>        then removing Finder Liaison from my disk)
>
>I also tried:
>
><<event FNAEempt>>
>
>Both of them just sat there pretending to do something, but not really
>doing anything.
>
>Can the Finder be scripted this way?

Rather than event class FNAE, the Finder event class is FNDR (FNAE is
likely the signature for Finder Liaison).

This works...note that if Script Editor is in front, it takes Finder "a
while" to get around to redrawing the trash can icon after emptying the
trash.


    tell application "Finder" to =ABevent FNDRempt=BB

Does work (I just exercised the above...Finder 7.1.3 in this case, but the
=46inder Suite has worked since 7.0).

   --John


--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 11 Mar 1994 22:47:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 10 Mar 1994 to 11 Mar 1994

A lot of people have been asking about scripting Eudora.  I wrote a script
which sorts my incoming mail folder into some mail folders and thought
people might benefit from the example.  This is simple and hardcoded, so
you'll have to tweak things to get them to work.  Once again, the word
wrapping is off, so you'll have to rewrap them.  I put comments at the end
of the lines which are broken.

I run this script from OSA Menu.

Note that Eudora 1.4.2 has a much improved dictionary and is available from
ftp.qualcomm.com as we type.  ;)

Jon


tell application "Eudora1.4.2"
  activate
  set n to number of message of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
  repeat with i from n to 1 by -1
    try
      set itsTo to field "To" of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
    on error
      set itsTo to ""
    end try
    try
      set itsCC to field "cc" of message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
    on error
      set itsCC to ""
    end try
    set itsTo to itsTo & return & itsCC
    if itsTo contains "applescript@" or itsTo contains "MACSCRPT@" then
      move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
        InsertHere end of mailbox "AppleScript News" of mail folder ""
    else if itsTo contains "AfterDark@" then
      move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
        InsertHere end of mailbox "AfterDark" of mail folder ""
    else if itsTo contains "group@" or itsTo contains "brain@" then
      move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
        InsertHere end of mailbox "Brains" of mail folder ""
    else if itsTo contains "jonpugh" or itsTo contains "jpugh@" --
         or itsTo contains "Jon Pugh" then
      move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
        InsertHere end of mailbox "Saved Mail" of mail folder ""
    else
      --set itsFrom to Sender of Message i of Mailbox "In" of Mail Folder ""
      --display dialog "TO: " & itsTo & return & "FROM: " & itsFrom & space & i
    end if
  end repeat
end tell
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Date:         Sat, 12 Mar 1994 15:41:46 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontmost

Can anybody give me an overview of how FrontMost is implemented? I'm
frustrated by AppleScript's complete lack of UI and, after waiting far too
long for my HyperCard 2.2 upgrade to arrive, I realized after reviewing it
that it's not the solution I want either. Can FrontMost objects (especially
windows or dialogs) be called from AppleScript without writing an entire
FrontMost application? For example, can I create a dialog box in FrontMost
with as many checkboxes as I have Eudora mailboxes in order to specify at
runtime which I mailboxes I want sorted? TIA.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 12 Mar 1994 15:47:23 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: New member - questions about scripting Eudora

>First off, hello -- I just joined the list.  I don't seem to be getting too
>many messages (exactly one so far), so hopefully I am actually getting the
>full message feed....
>
>I've just started using AppleScript.  It's seems fantastic and I've had
>some success scripting for StuffitDeluxe, but I've run into some problems
>trying to figure out how to script Eudora 1.4.2.  According to Eudora's
>dictionary, the "get" command "Works for message & mailbox properties,
>fields, and whole messages."  It also says that if you omit the reference,
>it defaults to the "current" message.
>
>Leaving off the reference always returns an error from Eudora.  In
>particular I'm trying to get the "isOutgoing" property for the "current"
>message, which I presume means the topmost open message window (correct)?
>I'm using the following test script:
>
>    tell application "Eudora1.4.2"
>        copy (get IsOutgoing) to openMessageToSend
>
>        if openMessageToSend then
>            display dialog "Open message to send"
>        else
>            display dialog "No open message to send"
>        end if
>
>    end tell
>
>
>Running this returns an error on "IsOutgoing" saying:
>
>    Eudora1.4.2 got an error: Can't get IsOutgoing.
>
>Note that it works fine if I use:
>
>    copy (get IsOutgoing of message 1) to openMessageToSend
>
>However, I really have a more fundamental question, because even if I could
>leave out the reference, I suspect this wouldn't do what I want.  The
>problem is that if I reference message 1, but there is no message 1, then
>the script stops with an error.  Is there any way that I can find out IF
>there are message windows open (or better, get a list of open windows)?
>Sorry if the answer to this is extremely basic -- in many ways I find
>AppleScript intuitive, but in others I'm finding it pretty confusing.

I'm new to AppleScripting, too, but the one thing I finally figured out
about Eudora is that either it is unable to fill in the "default path" to
objects or I don't know how to set it up in advance so it "knows" about it.
The following:

tell application "Eudora 1.4.2"
        set thePrompt to ""
        set toGo to the outGoing of message 1 of mailbox "Out" of mail folder ""
        if ( toGo )
                set thePrompt to "There are messages to be sent"
        else
                set thePrompt to "There are no messages"
        end
        display dialog thePrompt
end tell

does what you'd expect it to. The difference is, of course, that there's a
_full_ descriptor of the message you are trying to get at. I don't know how
to "abbreviate" that so you don't have to type it all the time, but
somebody else on the list surely will. Hope this helps 'til someone who
knows more about it can respond.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
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Date:         Sat, 12 Mar 1994 18:37:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Butler DAL server

What is the best way to access a DAL database from AppleScript? Suggestions?
Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 02:46:15 LCL
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rick Zeman <[e-mail]>
Organization: Heller Info Services ([e-mail]) Near DC
Subject:      Stuffit SuperExpander

Anyone tried to use Aladdin's SuperExpander with AS 1.1 [and Deluxe 3.07]?  I
recompiled it (with _no_ changes at all) for 1.1 and it now barfs with the
alert:
"The 'Tran' verb requires a text parameter with a key of 'name'".  The
'offending' script segment is:

Translate match name transName command commandString --the execution
parameters

which executes fine under AS 1.0 (until it crashes at the very end of the
script. I've found that a lot of scripts compiled under 1.0 need to be
recompiled under 1.1.  Hence, my conundrum).

Huh?  What's changed?

___________________________________________________________________________
Rick Zeman                                "Wer nie sein Brot mit Tranen ass
[e-mail]                              Wer nie die kummervollen Nachte
Fidonet: 1:109/70.943                          Auf seinem Bette weinend sas
                             Der kennt euch nicht, ihr himmlishcen Machte."
                                           -- Goethe, "Wilhelm Meister"
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 08:29:52 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Gaines <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: new items on gaea

In message <[e-mail]> Macintosh Scripting
Systems writes:
> I've uploaded some new items to gaea that some of you might be interested in.
>
>
> applescript/osaxen/MacPPPControl.sit.hqx
> applescript/osaxen/MountVolosax.sit.hqx
> applescript/docs/FMProChanges.txt
> applescript/docs/digests/feb94
> applescript/addons/FW2.0.3.sit.hqx
> applescript/scripts/PARSE.sit.hqx
> applescript/scripts/CanvasDemoScripts.sit.hqx
> applescript/scripts/GraphSearch.sit.hqx
> applescript/scripts/LEVEL6ScriptsVol1.sit.hqx

Fred, applescript/osaxen/MountVolosax.sit.hqx
does not seem to have made it, b.


Brian Gaines              Knowledge Science Institute, University of Calgary
[e-mail]   Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1N4
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 13:43:33 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      "Scriptable" Finder in Sys 7.5: Menu Sharing w/Frontier?

Does anyone know if the new, scriptable Finder slated for System 7.5
will also support Frontier's menu sharing protocol?  I believe
that PhotoFlash from Apple did implement menu sharing, so I hope
this indicates some level of corporate commitment for UserLand's
product.

-David.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 13:48:29 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: New member - questions about scripting Eudora

Ahh, that helps quite a bit, as does John Pugh's post.  Thanks.

However, one other question:  What is the correct formatting of a "make"
command in Eudora.  What parameters are required?  Can somebody give me an
example?

Also, it appears that if you say "message 1" (without a mailbox or folder
reference), that this defaults to the topmost open message.  Is there any
way to reference other open messages?  I tried using message 2, 3, etc. and
it always refers to the top most open message anyway.

Steve

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Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 13:49:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Native PPC versions of scripting tools?

Has anybody seen an official schedule (or, for that matter, heard any
good rumors) for the release of native PPC versions of HyperCard
and UserLand Frontier?

-David.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 14:52:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Scriptable" Finder in Sys 7.5: Menu Sharing w/Frontier?

>Does anyone know if the new, scriptable Finder slated for System 7.5
>will also support Frontier's menu sharing protocol?
>
        Unfortunately, it will not support Menu Sharing.  There was a big
push to get them to do so, but for a number of (IMHO silly) reasons, it
doesn't.  This means that FinderMenus is still at least somewhat useful.


>I believe
>that PhotoFlash from Apple did implement menu sharing, so I hope
>this indicates some level of corporate commitment for UserLand's
>product.
>
        That was because Apple bought PhotoFlash from a Userland savvy
company.

        However, there is a group pushing Apple to support MenuSharing in
more products!!

LDR

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Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 18:19:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost

>Can FrontMost objects (especially
>windows or dialogs) be called from AppleScript without writing an entire
>FrontMost application? For example, can I create a dialog box in FrontMost
>with as many checkboxes as I have Eudora mailboxes in order to specify at
>runtime which I mailboxes I want sorted? TIA.

Is FrontMost freeware, shareware, commercial?  Is it it available yet?
Where?  I want it!  :)

Steve

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Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 15:30:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost

>>Can FrontMost objects (especially
>>windows or dialogs) be called from AppleScript without writing an entire
>>FrontMost application? For example, can I create a dialog box in FrontMost
>>with as many checkboxes as I have Eudora mailboxes in order to specify at
>>runtime which I mailboxes I want sorted? TIA.
>
>Is FrontMost freeware, shareware, commercial?  Is it it available yet?
>Where?  I want it!  :)
>
FrontMost comes with AppleScript 1.1. I ordered the upgrade specifically to
get it.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 21:20:11 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ClarisWorks support AppleScript?

ClarisWorks does have an AppleScript dictionary that can be opened
in the Script Editor. It includes field and cell objects and I tried
playing with it a bit. I succeeded in freezing up my Mac several times.
I understand that Claris is aware that there are problems and a new
version will have better AS support. I don't know if that means version
2.1 (just released) or not.

The sidegrade offer (Resolve owners can purchase ClarisWorks for $29) was
mentioned in last week's Tidbits. I would imagine you could call
Claris to find out more.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:57:33 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Quinn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora/Frontier Listsever

I have plans to write a sort of ListServer/InfoBot for my Mac, using a
combination of Eudora 2.x and Frontier 3.x.

It seems to me that most of the work involved will be writing the
interpreter that parses commands to the server.

Is anybody out there involved in a similar project?

I have so little time for this sort of activity, that I would be interested
in collaberation with other people, or augmenting existing code.


Thanks


Jeremy Quinn

        . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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              Designer &              :               Phone:
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=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 09:02:23 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora/Frontier Listsever

>I have plans to write a sort of ListServer/InfoBot for my Mac, using a
>combination of Eudora 2.x and Frontier 3.x.
>
>It seems to me that most of the work involved will be writing the
>interpreter that parses commands to the server.
>
>Is anybody out there involved in a similar project?
>
>I have so little time for this sort of activity, that I would be interested
>in collaberation with other people, or augmenting existing code.
>
>
Glen Anderson "[e-mail]" is developing a POP3
Mac mail server called MailShare which has a primitive listServ function.
You point it to a text file which is a return delimited list of e-mail
addresses.  As the software develops further I imagine that automatic
sub/unsub will be incorporated.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 06:56:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Holden <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: "Scriptable" Finder in Sys 7.5: Menu Sharing w/Frontier?

>        However, there is a group pushing Apple to support MenuSharing in
>more products!!

Anyway we can add to this push. Contact name and address?!? I don't
mind writing a letter or two.

My whole project is moving towards using Scripting in every application.
If we can't do MenuSharing in the Finder, we will be at a disadvantage.

Later,

Steve


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                     Steven D. Holden
          Macintosh System/Applications Engineer
               SAIC -> NRaD -> Project ICER
     Email: [e-mail], Phone: [phone]
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own and do not
necessarily reflect those of my employer or the government.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:12:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Native PPC versions of scripting tools?

At 13:49 3/13/94 -0500, David Myers wrote:
>Has anybody seen an official schedule (or, for that matter, heard any
>good rumors) for the release of native PPC versions of HyperCard
>and UserLand Frontier?

I didn't answer then, because there wasn't anything I could say.  I just
copied the following out of the UserLand forum on CompuServe (it was posted
by Doug Baron of UserLand):


--------------------------
Frontier goes Native!
---------------------

Today, Apple Computer Inc. announced a new line of PowerPC-based Macintoshes.
UserLand Software is pleased to announce that a native PowerPC version
UserLand Frontier is well under way, and that a demo version is now
available for downloading.

Currently in beta testing, the native version boasts 2-X to 8-X performance
improvements over versions running in emulation or on 680x0-based
Macintoshes. Calculation-intensive tasks benefit the most from native
processing.

The demo package does not use the Thread Manager, so background- and
multi-processing capabilities are not enabled, and the QuickScript window
is not functional. The demo expires on May 1, 1994.

In Library 8, ULFPPC.SIT. Check it out!

UserLand Software
March 14, 1994
-------------------------

--John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 18:29:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Software Designs Unltd,Lee Buck,
              VCA" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      SIGNOFF SDU

Please sign us off: SDU and LEE.BUCK
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Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 13:35:48 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re- Re- Remote Launching

                      Re: Re: Remote Launching
>The 7.x Finders allow remote launching. All you need is the exact location of
the program you wish to launch..

Hmm. I picked up a copy of Dan Ranson's  Finder Scripting Toolkit and tried
what I would have expected was an even simpler script than the one you
mentioned (RemoteOpenObjectsWithZone).

Here it is:
on OpenObjects(alias "Mark's HD:Frontier 3.0 alias:", {alias "Mark's
HD:Frontier 3.0:Frontier Runtime(tm) alias"})
        tell application "Finder" to open cont items objs
end OpenObjects

(You can ignore the spacing/line wraps.)
The apps and aliases and paths are all local. I've made an alias to the
Frontier 3.0 folder and placed it at the root level of my disk, Mark's HD. I've
also made an alias to the app, Frontier Runtime, and put it into the container
specified in the first param, Mark's HD:Frontier 3.0:. The Script Editor
responds by saying it can't find the folder alias "Mark's HD:Frontier 3.0
alias:" I've also tried putting the alias within the container it points to.
Am I understanding Ranson's description of what an alias should be:
"       o alias : an alias to a Finder object, for instance "alias
"Disk:folder:file"".
        It cannot be a pathname or some other way of refering to the object.

Is there an osax that I'm supposed to have loaded in order to pull this script
off? I've got the fwin osax loaded just for paranoia's sake. Does anyone else
get this error if you run this script? Am I crazy, losing my mind?

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCA
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Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 11:43:13 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

>>Ok, I've gotten a good copy of MacPPP Control. I've installed it into
>>Frontier using the Load OSAX droplet. The script fragment
>>
>>        if PPPOpened () {
>>            closePPP ()
>>            }
>>
>>works fine if executed from Frontier (placed into a script which is
>>executed from the Quick Script window). If called from FinderMenu, however,
>>it will hang the machine if the closePPP () clause is executed. I've tried
>>various combinations of clock.waitSeconds inserted before and after the
>>call, and I've also tried Frontier.bringToFront before the fragment is
>>executed. Nothing so far helps. Any assistance would be appreciated.
>>Thanks.
>
>Humm, I'm no sure what to say.  I use MacPPP Control in a series of
>AppleScript script applications which I execute from MenuChoice.  I also
>have scripts running from my Scheduler application useing MacPPP Control
>with no trouble.
>
>I don't have Frontier on my system so I can't test with it.  I'm willing to
>supply the source for the MacPPP Control OSAX if thet will help you address
>the problem.
>
>-Mark

Hi,

Perhaps I was a little too flip in my previous response. I would like to
examine the source if it's ok with you. Thanks.

        David

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David Lewis               [e-mail]                [phone]
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Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:42:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript and System 7 Pro

A colleague of mine who had AppleScript 1.0 and System 7.1 recently
upgraded to System 7 Pro.  I also have System 7 Pro and installed
AppleScript 1.1 (from HyperCard 2.2) after getting 7 Pro.  I can not find
the extension "Apple Events Manager" anywhere on my hard disk, but it's
icon still appears during startup.  Is the Apple Event Manager incorporated
as part of the system in System 7 Pro?  Does someone with System 7.1 NEED
the Apple Event Manager extension, or just the AppleScript extension?

Steve

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Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 18:28:44 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Quinn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

>Ok, I've gotten a good copy of MacPPP Control. I've installed it into
>Frontier using the Load OSAX droplet.................



Where did you get the "Load OSAX droplet" from?

Thanks



Jeremy Quinn

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Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 17:02:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         argon lazer battlegrid <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Stuffit

I can now get my script to Unstuff items, but no
luck so far with unbinhexing them. I pretty much
cut and pasted the translater code right from the
sutffit examples, just changing a couple
variable names but I don't think I changed the functionality
of it at all.

When I drop a .hqx file onto 'Super Expander', where I
grabbed the code, it decodes fine, but in my script
it seems to completely ignore the translator.Hmmmmm.

=46or those of you who don't have a copy to look at

on decode(transName, fileName)
        set commandString to "decode \"" & fileName & "\""
        tell application "StuffIt Lite=81"
                activate
                Translate name transName command commandString
        end tell
end decode

where I have passed transName as "BinHex4".

Needless to say, I find AppleScript quite frustrating.
I don't know if it is the docs (or lack thereof) or
just that I am used to a little more structure
when programming. (I am doing a comp. sci. degree)
Regardless, I am glad this list is here to help
me out. Thanks very much.

Did I mention that I have AS 1.0 on a c610/sys7.1?

Chris Fraser     [e-mail]     [e-mail].c=
a
               Finger me here for my PGP public key--^
"Note: Some very inexpensive pedals are not serviceable. Other pedals are
theoretically possible to service, but seem designed to discourage it. When
these need work, we suggest you work them into a garbage can, and get a new
pair of pedals." Bridgestone Owner's Manual, Bridgestone Cycle USA.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 14 Mar 1994 21:43:34 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         O'le Biscut Barrel <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: new items on gaea
In-Reply-To:  (null)

What is the telnet address of gaea? Thanks.

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Marc Schuette                    Biology/Computer Science
email: [e-mail]     Oregon State University

-GO BLAZERS!-GO BLAZERS!-GO BLAZERS!-GO BLAZERS!-GO BLAZERS!-
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Date:         Tue, 15 Mar 1994 03:34:19 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Y. Doug Uno" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript, Mail folder of Eudora

Could anybody tell me what is the problem in the following applescript?
I cannot handle Mail folders.  The script is as follows.

display dialog "Mail Folder Name? if you have" default answer ""
-- I type folder name "F1" which exists.
set MFName to (text returned of result)
display dialog "MailBox Name?" default answer "In"
-- I type Mailbox name "M1" which exists in "F1".
set MBoxName to (text returned of result)
tell application "Eudora2.0.1"
        set N to number of Message of Mailbox MBoxName of Mail Folder MFName
end tell

It causes error said "Eudora2.0.1 got an error.  Can't get Message of
Mailbox "M1" of Mail folder "F1".  If I type nothing for Mail folder and
type "Out" or whatever the Mailbox exist, it works.  The problem is hadling
mail folder.

Also, I would like to change this script using "choose file" instead of
"display dialog" but I could not figure out to convert reference to string.
How can I solve this?

Thanks in advance.

-----------------------------------------
Y. Doug Uno       e-mail: [e-mail]
University of Illinois
1304 W. Springfield Ave.  Room 2413
Urbana, IL 61801
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:16:00 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Comments:     Warning -- original Sender: tag was [e-mail]
From:         [e-mail]
Subject:      Re: "Scriptable" Finder in Sys 7.5: Menu Sharing w/Frontier?

David Myers <[e-mail]> writes:

>Does anyone know if the new, scriptable Finder slated for System 7.5
>will also support Frontier's menu sharing protocol?  I believe
>that PhotoFlash from Apple did implement menu sharing, so I hope
>this indicates some level of corporate commitment for UserLand's
>product.

For a different approach to menu sharing, one that doesn't require
explicit support by target applications, check out my Menu Events system
extension (server) and Menu Grabber application (client).

Briefly, Menu Events adds a system event handler which supports a suite
of three events:
   Query Menu List
   Query Menu
   Select Menu Item
The Select Menu Item event causes the recipient to act as though the
given menu item was selected by the user.  All that is required of the
target application is that it be high-level-event-aware (i.e., that it
support the Required suite) and that it not be programmed in such a way
as to defeat system event handlers (this means that it *doesn't* work
with Finder 7.1 or earlier, ResEdit 2.1.1, and some Microsoft apps - but
it *SHOULD* work with Finder 7.5, which Frontier may not).

Menu Grabber exemplifies what programmers and scripters can accomplish
with the Menu event suite.  It lets you pick an application from any Mac
on your AppleTalk network, then proceeds to grab a copy of its menu bar,
so that you can control it remotely through its menu commands.

While there are some limitations, these programs may help you.  They are
in the final stages of beta testing, but I invite anyone on the MACSCRPT
mailing list to pick up a copy for evaluation before release:

ftp://rever.nmsu.edu/pub/AWOL/AWOL_Utilities/Menu_Events_1.0.7.sit.Hqx
ftp://rever.nmsu.edu/pub/AWOL/AWOL_Utilities/Menu_Grabber_1.0.6.sit.Hqx

These programs are fully documented, but the documents are not in plain
text, so while you're there, better pick up one more thing:

ftp://rever.nmsu.edu/pub/AWOL/AWOL_Utilities/Help_on_Wheels_1.0.4.sit.Hqx

Have fun!

Ross Brown - AWOL Software Productions - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
publisher of AWOL Utilities - "the best deal in freeware!"
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:09:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Early observations on PowerPC compatibility with scripting tools

Okay...After one evening spent with a brand new PowerMac 6100,
I'd like to report on my initial observations on a couple
of key applications.


UserLand Frontier:

Works well; works reasonably fast (but hey, I just traded up from
an SE/30, so how would I know?).  FinderMenus 3.0, however,
appears to crash in a very nasty way.  This is a big disappointment,
but with J. Baxter's recent announcement of an upcoming native
Frontier port, I am a little consoled.


AppleScript:

The machine comes with Applescript 1.1 and something I believe called
"RISC Plug-In" (I am at work as I write this, so I can't check on the
full name).  What exactly this "RISC Plug-In" does I can't say for
sure.  Anybody know?  I prefer Frontier, so I didn't do too much
playing around with AS.


SITcomm:

Another disappointment: SITcomm crashed when I started a ZMODEM transfer
using the supplied ZMODEM tool. Any word from our Aladdin experts here?


-David.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 14:29:25 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMaker Pro examples

Anyone have any good example scripts using FileMaker?

My main question is - how do you (or can you) specify a "whose" clause in a
get data statement. How do you find record(s) that contain a certain value in
one of the fields?

Thanks,
Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:19:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Pro examples
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Jay Martin" at Mar 16, 94 02:29:25 pm

--Jay Martin wrote:
>
>Anyone have any good example scripts using FileMaker?

    Not really. All of the FM Pro scripting I've done has been little
one shot stuff. I just haven't gotten around to doing anything worth
keeping yet.

>My main question is - how do you (or can you) specify a "whose" clause in a
>get data statement. How do you find record(s) that contain a certain value in
>one of the fields?

    tell app "FileMaker Pro"
        show every record where cell "fieldname" contains "value"
    end tell

    There are all kinds of variations on this, you can also do
combinations, and use things like "does not contain". This has to be one
of the coolest things about the Apple Event Object Model, IMO.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:41:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript, Mail folder of Eudora

>It causes error said "Eudora2.0.1 got an error.  Can't get Message of
>Mailbox "M1" of Mail folder "F1".  If I type nothing for Mail folder and
>type "Out" or whatever the Mailbox exist, it works.

This is the same problem I ran into until I realized that any mail folders
you create are created in mail folder "" (empty string), the top most mail
folder.  So the correct reference would be:

  ...Mailbox MBoxName of Mail Folder MFName of Mail Folder ""

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:01:55 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: new items on gaea

The address is gaea.kgs.ukans.edu.

Jay

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 16, 1994 ------

What is the telnet address of gaea? Thanks.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:01:24 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: new items on gaea
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon,
              14 Mar 94 21:43:34 PST." <[e-mail]>

> What is the telnet address of gaea? Thanks.

gaea.kgs.ukans.edu or 129.237.140.40.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:25:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable news reader?

Does anyone know if there is a scriptable news reader?  I'd like to write a
script for Eudora (to put in the OSA Menu) to open refeferenced messages
from email messages in Eudora....

Steve

---------------------
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---------------------
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Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:35:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Is AppleScript free?

One thing I've been wonder is, is AppleScript free?  Can I send a copy of
the AppleScript extension and associated files to a colleague so that they
can at least run scripts I've written?  What about the upgrade from 1.0 to
1.1?  If we have a site license for System 7 Pro (which includes
AppleScript 1.0), do we also have a site license for 1.1?  What about the
ScriptEditor?

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:44:10 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon,
              14 Mar 94 18:28:44 GMT." <[e-mail]>

> Where did you get the "Load OSAX droplet" from?
>

I just checked and it isn't on gaea, though it is sitting on my Mac at home.
If you'll check the /frontier/applets/ directory of gaea.kgs.ukans.edu later
this evening, you'll find it there.

Or someone might mail it to you......

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:12:42 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript and System 7 Pro
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon,
              14 Mar 94 16:42:02 EST." <[e-mail]>

Steve,

> A colleague of mine who had AppleScript 1.0 and System 7.1 recently
> upgraded to System 7 Pro.  I also have System 7 Pro and installed
> AppleScript 1.1 (from HyperCard 2.2) after getting 7 Pro.  I can not find
> the extension "Apple Events Manager" anywhere on my hard disk, but it's
> icon still appears during startup.  Is the Apple Event Manager incorporated
> as part of the system in System 7 Pro?  Does someone with System 7.1 NEED
> the Apple Event Manager extension, or just the AppleScript extension?

>From the faq . . .

1.1 Developer's Toolkit and Scripting Kit versions both released
1/94. This version incorporated the Apple Event Manager 1.03 extension,
which was previously separated, into the AppleScript extension.


pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, Cadence Design Systems, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:58:36 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      Re(2): "Scriptable" Finder in

'scuze my ignorance y'all, but
"What is MenuSharing?"
Thanks,
Jay
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=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:03:20 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Stuffit

>I can now get my script to Unstuff items, but no
>luck so far with unbinhexing them. I pretty much
>cut and pasted the translater code right from the
>sutffit examples, just changing a couple
>variable names but I don't think I changed the functionality
>of it at all.
>
        One possibility is that your don't have a registered copy of
StuffIt Lite, as the Translate command is only available in registered
versions.

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 16 Mar 1994 16:28:43 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Zellers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Early observations on Po

         Reply to:   RE>Early observations on Power
>FinderMenus 3.0, however,
>appears to crash in a very nasty way.  This is a big disappointment,
>but with J. Baxter's recent announcement of an upcoming native
>Frontier port, I am a little consoled.

I'm running FM 3.0 with now problems currently - try making it the last
extension to load (zzFinderMenu 3.0)

BTW: FinderMenu, which an invaluable (IMHO ;-) addition to Frontier is not a
Userland product, and the code is copyright by myself - I've gotten much
valuable advice from Userland, but they are in no way responsible for its
support, I am.  (Just want to clear that up so as to take some of the tech
support load from their backs - it's their biggest TS task, unfortunately.)

--smz
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 12:16:09 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "-s94098542-m.flanagan-ele-60-" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>; from "Fred Terry" at
              Mar 16, 94 04:44:10 pm

>
> > Where did you get the "Load OSAX droplet" from?
> >
>
> I just checked and it isn't on gaea, though it is sitting on my Mac at home.
> If you'll check the /frontier/applets/ directory of gaea.kgs.ukans.edu later
> this evening, you'll find it there.
>
> Or someone might mail it to you......
>
> pf
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
>
> "Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
>                                         --Graffito
>
        what exactly does it do this load osax droplet?


--
Matthew Flanagan                                [e-mail]

B.E. Computer Systems Engineering
Support Advisor
University of Technology Sydney
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:49:43 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu,
              17 Mar 94 12:16:09 EST." <[e-mail]>

>       what exactly does it do this load osax droplet?

To quote from the description on CI$...

Drop any file that contains an "osax" code extension on this droplet to install
it in Frontier.root. Also parses the 'aete' resource and builds a set of glue sc
ripts to call the osax code. If you have AppleScript, look in the Scripting Addi
tions folder of the Extensions sub-folder of your System Folder. Lots of osax's
there! Be sure to change the name of the file to be a valid UserTalk identifier
before installing in Frontier. Now, if anyone comes up with a neat osax that we
don't have a verb in Frontier, you're covered. DW
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 07:16:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> AppleScript and System 7 Pro

The Apple Event manager is included in AppleScript 1.1 (I believe), so the
extra extension is not needed. So, if you have 1.0, you need it.

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 16, 1994 ------

A colleague of mine who had AppleScript 1.0 and System 7.1 recently
upgraded to System 7 Pro.  I also have System 7 Pro and installed
AppleScript 1.1 (from HyperCard 2.2) after getting 7 Pro.  I can not find
the extension "Apple Events Manager" anywhere on my hard disk, but it's
icon still appears during startup.  Is the Apple Event Manager incorporated
as part of the system in System 7 Pro?  Does someone with System 7.1 NEED
the Apple Event Manager extension, or just the AppleScript extension?
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 08:45:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Graham Heyes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript, FileMakerPro and WordPerfect 3.0

I am running AppleScript 1.1 on System 7.1 with most of the osax from gaea so I
can do quite a few things from the sctipting language but I'm stuck on my
latest project.
        I have put together an address book using FileMaker Pro (FMP) and wanted
to script a FMP macro which would copy the address, salutation etc from the FMP
record into a WordPerfect3.0 (WP3) letter. I thought that I would do this by
copying the fields one by one onto the clipboard and pasting them into a WP3
template. The paste would be achieved using the paste apple event 'misc' 'past'
which I should be able to send from a FMP macro.

        It looks like WP3 doesn't accept the paste apple event so I thought that
this would be a good place to use applescript. WP3 doesn't support the paste
applescript command either but at least I can use the AutoType OSAX to do
a command-v, sounds terrible I know but I can't think of a better thing to do.
So now I have this FMP macro from hell which copies to the clipboard then runs
an applescript applet to paste into WP3. There has to be a better way but I
can't think of one.

        It seems bizzare to me that when I looka at the WP3 dictionary with the
script editor there are strange commands to do with mail but nothing apparent
for poking chunks of text into a documment. It is supposed to be a word
processor. Surely this is also something that needs to be done frequently from
scripts but I haven't found any good examples yet.

        I looked through "The TAO of Applescript" but there are no apparent
examples of how to copy text from one application to another.

Has anyone got any help or advice on how to go about this?

                Graham

-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-
Graham Heyes,CEBAF,12000 Jefferson Ave,Newport News,VA 23606,Tel:[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 08:55:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Lanning <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Conversions

Hello,
  Is it possible to provide user-defined type conversion of script objects
in Apple Script.  For example, if I have ...

    script bogus
        property contents:{}
    end script

 ... can I write a handler that is part of the script that will allow
someone to write ...

    bogus as string

  I have several script objects that are "converted" to strings a lot, and
using the "built-in" style of conversion looks better and is more
consistent then writing something like this ...

    script bogus
        property contents:{}

        to asString()
                -- stuff
        end asString
    end script

 ... and is called like this ...

    bogus asString()

 ... instead of ...

    bogus as string

  Any suggestions?

----
Tom Lanning

+1.617.466.4221  /  [e-mail]

GTE Laboratories Incorporated
40 Sylvan RD
Waltham MA 02254 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 10:34:38 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         argon lazer battlegrid <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scripting Stuffit

At  4:03 PM 3/16/94 -0800, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
>>I can now get my script to Unstuff items, but no
>>luck so far with unbinhexing them. I pretty much
>>cut and pasted the translater code right from the
>>sutffit examples, just changing a couple
>>variable names but I don't think I changed the functionality
>>of it at all.
>>
>        One possibility is that your don't have a registered copy of
>StuffIt Lite, as the Translate command is only available in registered
>versions.

It is a registered version.

Chris Fraser     [e-mail]     [e-mail]
               Finger me here for my PGP public key--^
"Note: Some very inexpensive pedals are not serviceable. Other pedals are
theoretically possible to service, but seem designed to discourage it. When
these need work, we suggest you work them into a garbage can, and get a new
pair of pedals." Bridgestone Owner's Manual, Bridgestone Cycle USA.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:48:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chris Brannon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Anarchie Script

Hey all,

I was taking a look at the Download Script provided with Anarchie, and I
found that AS 1.0 chokes on this line:

        set rn to open for access file theinput with write permission

It expected an end of line when it encountered "access".

What can I do to get the script to work?



Regards,...Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Christopher B. Brannon                             University of Pittsburgh
[e-mail]                                           Political Science
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 21:12:41 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Anarchie Script

----
set rn to open for access file theinput with write permission
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

If I'm not mistaken, this command (osax) was added in AS 1.1 (I could be
wrong, I didn't use AS 1.0 for very long).

Jay
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 22:59:30 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FM Pro AppleScript Examples

>Anyone have any good example scripts using FileMaker?
>
>My main question is - how do you (or can you) specify a "whose" clause in a
>get data statement. How do you find record(s) that contain a certain value in
>one of the fields?
>
>Thanks,
>Jay
>+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
>| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
>|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
>|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
>|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
>+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
>

I found a nice collection of examples on America Online that I have sent to
gaea--they should be showing up soon.  I'm taking the author at his word
and assuming it's OK to upload them.

Here's the description from AOL:

>Subj:  FM Pro & AppleScript                  February 20, 1994
>From:  PackerDev
>
>File:  FileMaker & AppleScript.sea (90831 bytes)
>DL time (2400 baud): < 10 minutes
>Download count: 574
>
>AUTHOR:    J.Gagne
>NEEDS:     AppleScript System 1.0 or greater
>
>KEYWORDS:  CLARIS FILEMAKER PRO APPESCRIPT EVENTS SCRIPTING APPLE EVENTS IAC
>FRONTIER SCRIPTS
>
>This is a collection of FM Pro/AppleScript, examples that are supplied on the
>Apple Developer AppleScript 1.0  Beta CD. I thought they would be of interest
>to all and got permission from Apple to distribute them to all who would want
>them.
>
>AppleScript lends awesome power to FileMaker, including condidtional scripting
>and custom dialog boxes, as well as many quasi-relational capabilities.  The
>AppleScript kit can be purchased from APDA (Apple Programmers and Developers
>Association), and Apple recently released the AppleScript Developers Kit but
>decided not to include these. Too bad!
>
>Don't stay up too late with this stuff! If you want to see more of this type
>of stuff I'd be happy to start uploading some of my scripts as well.
>
>Jeff Gagne
>Packer Software,Inc.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>The enclosed file(s) was(were) checked with Disinfectant 3.2 and found to be
>free of infection.
>Jeff Gagne, Product Development, Packer Support Area
>---------------------------------------------------------



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan           "Perhaps the most universal information trap is the...
System Administrator   trap of forgetting what it's like not to know. The
CoVis Project          minute we know something, we forget what it was like
Northwestern Univ.     not to know it."
                                                    --Richard S. Wurman
E-mail: [e-mail]                    "Information Anxiety"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 17 Mar 1994 22:28:55 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Early observations on PowerPC compatibility with scripting
              tools

At 11:09 3/16/94 -0500, David Myers wrote:
>Works well; works reasonably fast (but hey, I just traded up from
>an SE/30, so how would I know?).  FinderMenus 3.0, however,
>appears to crash in a very nasty way.  This is a big disappointment,
>but with J. Baxter's recent announcement of an upcoming native
>Frontier port, I am a little consoled.

If you are using the FinderMenu 3.0 as shipped with Frontier 3.0, you will
find a crash as soon as Finder tries to draw its menus, if:
   (1) you use the iconic menu titles (ICON(resID)), and
   (2) you don't move the FinderMenu Prefs file into the Preferences folder
on the machine you are running on (each Preferences folder if you play
games with multiple Systems).

The reason is an unfortunate oversight:  the icon resources are stored in
the Preferences file, and "FinderMenus 3.0" (which is really FinderMenus
2.0b7) assumes they exist.  "FinderMenus 2.0b10" (which despite the
numbering is later than FinderMenus 3.0, but wasn't tested enough to ship
with Frontier 3.0 fixes that problem and a couple of others.  I think gaea
has it.

>
>AppleScript:
>
>The machine comes with Applescript 1.1 and something I believe called
>"RISC Plug-In" (I am at work as I write this, so I can't check on the
>full name).  What exactly this "RISC Plug-In" does I can't say for
>sure.  Anybody know?  I prefer Frontier, so I didn't do too much
>playing around with AS.

One must believe that the "RISC Plug-In" patches something to make
AppleScript work (or work better) on a powerPC machine.  There's a similar
thing for the Finder.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 06:13:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Susan Foster <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Droplet loses references

I've created an AS droplet that takes one or more Informed Manager forms and
generates a MacWrite Pro document with the data from the form(s). On my
machine, where the script was compiled, everything's fine.

On others' machines, EVERY time the script runs, it asks the user to find the
Informed Manager and MacWrite Pro applications. Apparently, the references to
the applications are being lost between runs. (If the script is recompiled on
the other Mac, it only asks about the applications the first time it's run;
from then on, it knows where they are.)

It seems that this weirdness only affects droppables; when I take out the
dropbox stuff, there's no reference problem.

Has anybody else had this problem, or am I maybe doing something wrong?

Thanks,
Susan

+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Susan Foster          | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 08:43:24 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu

>Where did you get the "Load OSAX droplet" from?
>
>Jeremy Quinn
>
CompuServe's UserLand forum. As I recall, it's in the UCMD/XCMD library.

        David

------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Lewis               [e-mail]                [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 10:48:32 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Compton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Droplet loses references
In-Reply-To:  Susan Foster's message of Fri,
              18 Mar 1994 06:13:20 -0500
              <[e-mail]>

Susan,
Is your droplet asking where the application is or asking the user to log into
it?  I had a similar situation until I installed the Auto-Guest init that
supresses the dialog box that asks the user to log into the remote app.

I don't know if this is your problem, but thought I'd chime in (I use
Informed, Applescript, etc a lot and haven't really seen the problem you
describe).

Good luck,

Michael Compton
AI Research Branch M/S 269-2
NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
phone: [phone]
fax:   [phone]
internet: [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:13:06 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Auto-guest init - where?

Where can I find the Auto-Guest init? I looked and it wasn't on gaea.

Thanks,

Dave Ray
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:52:40 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Michael Compton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Auto-guest init - where?
In-Reply-To:  David Ray's message of Fri,
              18 Mar 1994 12:13:06 -0800
              <[e-mail]>

I found it in the Info-Mac archives at sumex-aim.stanford.edu.  It's probably
other places, too.  It's fairly old (1991) and unsupported, but seems to work
very well.  I'll upload it to gaea if that would be of interest to everyone.

Michael Compton
AI Research Branch M/S 269-2
NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
phone: [phone]
fax:   [phone]
internet: [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 09:50:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Pro examples

At 16:19 3/16/94 -0500, Brian V. Hughes wrote:
>>My main question is - how do you (or can you) specify a "whose" clause in a
>>get data statement. How do you find record(s) that contain a certain value in
>>one of the fields?
>
>    tell app "FileMaker Pro"
>        show every record where cell "fieldname" contains "value"
>    end tell
>
>    There are all kinds of variations on this, you can also do
>combinations, and use things like "does not contain". This has to be one
>of the coolest things about the Apple Event Object Model, IMO.

I agree with Brian on the latter comment, but...

For medium to large FileMaker databases, search time can become very long
(I learned how to specifiy timeouts in AppleScript because of that).  If
that becomes a problem, try to express the search in a FileMaker
script/macro thing, and trigger that from your AppleScript script.  The
diference in execution time can be considerable.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 12:01:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ObjectMaster and AppleScript 1.1 syntax

ObjectMaster has extensive support for AppleEvents, including the ability
to add menus to the program (or add to existing menus) and have them send
AppleScript (or MPW Scripts).  Anyway, they have some examples of this
which start up now that I have AppleScript.  The catch is that they cough
up.  There's a file called "1-Definitions" in the AppleScript folder in the
Starup Items folder (in Object Master).  I found that I needed to add empty
parenthesis after all the procedure names defined in the definitions file
in order to get it to work.  Is this a bug in AppleScript 1.1, or a change
in syntax (or a stricter enforcement of syntax)?

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
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Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 17:59:53 MET
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Povl H. Pedersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Selecting FileMaker records using AS

For a customer of mine I have made a longer AppleScript to generate some
rather long reports. They get lots of data from a FileMaker database, and
takes some seconds for every record (on a Q610). I will probably make it
get repeating fialds as a list to speed it up.

But the most annoying thing is that finding every record whose field "date"
equals "0192" takes forever.

Any good idea how to speed up finding the records you want ? FileMaker does
it interactively in much lesser time. It looks as if the AppleScript is
pulling the field over from each record, doing the selection on its own,
and then telling FM if the record matches or not.

The search can take a few minutes from AppleScript, and definitely under 5
seconds in FileMaker.

---
Povl H. Pedersen  -  Macintosh Consultant and Programmer
System Administrator at the Aarhus Engineering School
[e-mail] (preferred)  /  [e-mail]

"Macintosh...for those who can see through Windows!"
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 08:00:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Frank Lowney <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new AE stuff in Eudora

I noticed a new element in the Eudora1.4.1 dictionary, clas preference,
which looks wonderfuly useful to me.  There are 91 preferences most of
which can be changed using AEs.

The dictionary says that they can only be accessed by number and refers you
to the Q&A stack which nicely enumerates and descibes them.

So my queston is this, has anyone figured out how AppleScript might make
changes to these items?  I am particularly interested in the following
tems:

3 POP account
5 Return adress
22 Include signature?

Thanks for any light you may be able to shed on this.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 15:49:25 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jody Otterness <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: SIGNOFF SDU

PLEASE SIGN ME OFF TOO. JMOTTERNESS
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:18:50 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: new AE stuff in Eudora

>So my queston is this, has anyone figured out how AppleScript might make
>changes to these items?  I am particularly interested in the following
>tems:
>
        You refer to them as preference x, where x is the number you want.

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:28:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

>For a customer of mine I have made a longer AppleScript to generate some
>rather long reports. They get lots of data from a FileMaker database, and
>takes some seconds for every record (on a Q610). I will probably make it
>get repeating fialds as a list to speed it up.
>
>But the most annoying thing is that finding every record whose field "date"
>equals "0192" takes forever.
>
>Any good idea how to speed up finding the records you want ? FileMaker does
>it interactively in much lesser time. It looks as if the AppleScript is
>pulling the field over from each record, doing the selection on its own,
>and then telling FM if the record matches or not.

It does take rather too long, doesn't it.  Your surmise is quite
reasonable, but not, as it happens, correct.  The problem is that the
search model assumed by the standard events in the Apple Event Registry is
nothing like the search model used internally by FileMaker.  The result is
a lot of armwaving between the Object Support Library and FileMaker code.
[It never gets back into the AppleScript system itself.]

If possible in your situation, you should craft a FileMaker macro which
does the search for you, and trigger than macro by name from AppleScript
using do script.  If you can make that work for your situation, it will be
far faster than doing the search using the show event.
   --John

[Above information second hand from a developer at Claris who observed a
conversation on CompuServe (I think) about the slowness of the show event a
couple of months ago.]

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 18 Mar 1994 23:47:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Droplet loses references

Michael,
I'm a co-worker of Susan's, and the answer is no. It asks for the location of
Informed Manager and MacWrite Pro by putting up a SF dialog. It really is
pretty strange. We wrote the script with an "on open" handler, and EVERYTIME
it's run on a machine (besides the one that it was originally compiled on) it
asks for this info. However, after we altered it so that it didn't have the
on open handler and was just run as a normal AS application, it works fine.

I'm going to do some more checking, but here's another tidbit: the droplets
that shipped with AS 1.1 Dev Kit do the exact same thing. Everytime they run,
they ask for the Scriptable Text Editor unless you open them with the script
editor and recompile. We're stumped!

Jay

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Fri, Mar 18, 1994 ------

Susan,
Is your droplet asking where the application is or asking the user to log
into
it?  I had a similar situation until I installed the Auto-Guest init that
supresses the dialog box that asks the user to log into the remote app.

I don't know if this is your problem, but thought I'd chime in (I use
Informed, Applescript, etc a lot and haven't really seen the problem you
describe).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 10:07:27 MET
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Povl H. Pedersen" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Droplet loses references

>On others' machines, EVERY time the script runs, it asks the user to find the
>Informed Manager and MacWrite Pro applications. Apparently, the references to
>the applications are being lost between runs. (If the script is recompiled on
>the other Mac, it only asks about the applications the first time it's run;
>from then on, it knows where they are.)

I guess that you could give your applet a property containing the full path
to the application (unless there is some OSAX to return the FSSpec of a
specific creator usiong the desktop file as documented in IM VI). And then
do something like:

if theApp is not "" then
  -- find the app some way, and store in theApp
end if

if not fileExists(theApp) then
  -- find app just as above
end if

>It seems that this weirdness only affects droppables; when I take out the
>dropbox stuff, there's no reference problem.

no explanation for this.

---
Povl H. Pedersen  -  Macintosh Consultant and Programmer
System Administrator at the Aarhus Engineering School
[e-mail] (preferred)  /  [e-mail]

"Macintosh...for those who can see through Windows!"
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 10:20:39 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy J. Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MS: Admin Note

Just a posting of the semi-regular reminder of how things work.

Please remember to send all commands to [e-mail] and not to the
list itself. If the listserv is giving trouble and you want to talk to a
human, then send mail to [e-mail].


In short, the relevent addresses you need to know are as follows:

* [e-mail]
    the master controller. Mail is handled by computer
    so you have a limited set of commands you can send it.
    (Sending the HELP command will get you basics on this
    including instructions on how to sign off the list and
    set basic options for yourself like whether you want to
    receive the list in digest format or not)

* [e-mail]
    Fred Terry and Andy J. Williams, the list administrators.
    We can be contacted when you have a problem with the LISTSERV
    program above or when you have any administrative questions.

* [e-mail]
    the distribution list. Mail sent here goes to
    all the recipients.


If you have ANY questions at all please contact us at
[e-mail].

-A
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:43:15 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Peter Fleck - SMM <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting Books avail. retail

I visited a local Borders Bookstore today and found both the Scripting
Language Guide and the Scripting Additions Guide on the shelf. So both
of these are available without buying the software package. If you're
getting them this way, I would buy both. Forgot to get the price.

Peter
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:09:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMaker Whose Clauses

>>Any good idea how to speed up finding the records you want ? FileMaker does
>>it interactively in much lesser time. It looks as if the AppleScript is
>>pulling the field over from each record, doing the selection on its own,
>>and then telling FM if the record matches or not.
>
>It does take rather too long, doesn't it.  Your surmise is quite
>reasonable, but not, as it happens, correct.  The problem is that the
>search model assumed by the standard events in the Aple Event Registry is
>nothing like the search model used internally by FileMaker.  The result is
>a lot of armwaving between the Object Support Library and FileMaker code.
>[It never gets back into the AppleScript system itself.]

Quite true, except for the details.  ;)

The OSL handling of whose clauses is simply the easy way of doing whose
clauses.  You don't have to do any work at all to support them (well, you
have to use the OSL).  What the OSL does is call your GetData handler for
each property and then call your comparison proc to see if it satisfies the
condition in the whose clause.  If it does, it adds the object to a list
and continues.  This results in the OSL doing the entire search via the OSL
callbacks.

What the FileMaker guys should have done (uh oh, this could get lengthy ;)
was supported whose clauses directly.  This would mean that they would take
the object specifier before the OSL gets its grubby code on it, turn it
into one of their internal search data structures, do the search and return
the results, without the "aid" of the OSL.  It would result in much better
response time.  The OSL even has support for this so that you can simply
tell it that you want to do the whose search and it will do everything else
as usual.

The OSL's support of whose clauses is great though, it just isn't meant to
handle large numbers of objects.  It does small groups of objects, such as
windows and documents fine though, and absurdly easily too.

Unfortunately, the FileMaker guys were one of the first to support
AppleScript and they were so early that they shipped FileMaker before
AppleScript was done.  This resulted in them getting burned by some last
minute changes and having a very unfortunate time on the bleeding edge.
Throw in the fact that the main AE programmer had some serious health
problems during that time and you've got a receipe for skipped features.
Personally, I don't blame them. The trouble is that management should
allocate some time to improve their AE support some more.  Searching from
AE is one of the places it really needs improvement.

Just my 2 cents.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:32:38 -0700
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Gaines <[e-mail]>
Subject:      CAD Packages

Has anyone come across a CAD package which is AEvent responsive, even at
the DoScript level? None of the major CAD vendors seem to have got round
to making themselves AEvent aware, even though they all have powerful
script languages of their own.
b.

Brian Gaines              Knowledge Science Institute, University of Calgary
[e-mail]   Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1N4
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:47:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Benjamin Broder <[e-mail]>
Subject:      NOW Up-To-Date Scripting

Has anyone had any success with scripting NOW Up-To-Date,
I can't seem to get much of anything to work. If anyone
has a small example they could share, I'd appreciate it.
I just want to
        1. Create an event on a given date, with certain text/title, etc.
        2. Get any events on a given date.

Thanks.

        Ben
--
[e-mail]     Benjamin Broder    FAX [phone]
USC Institute for Health Promotion and Disease Prevention Research
1000 S. Fremont Ave. #641, Alhambra, CA 91803-1358 [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:06:10 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chuck Pliske <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MACSCRPT Digest - 18 Mar 1994 to 19 Mar 1994

Generic CADD is quite AEvent responsive.  Unfortunately it's not actively
supported.

Chuck

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Sat, Mar 19, 1994 ------

Has anyone come across a CAD package which is AEvent responsive, even at
the DoScript level? None of the major CAD vendors seem to have got round
to making themselves AEvent aware, even though they all have powerful
script languages of their own.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:35:32 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Weingarten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

If you do use a Filemaker script to do the search for you, then you
lose the ability to make the entire function automatic.  For example,
If you have the search find all the records with the date equal to "0192"
and there are not any records with such data then a dialog box will ask
if you wish to modify the request, continue, or cancel.

I created a Database with over 20,000 records and wanted to automate certain
tasks.  I encontered the same problem using AppleScript to do the find.
It doesn't use FileMaker Pro's Index when performing the search.  I used a
Filemaker script to do the search instead.  This led me to the problem stated
in the previous paragraph.  I was able to get around this problem as stated
below.

You must start the search script by creating a "dummy record" and inputing the
data you wish to search (this insures you will always find at least 1 record).
Perform the search.  Delete the last record (removes the "dummy record").

Using the above procedure I am able to perform the find in a matter of seconds
 wit
without the problem of automation.

David Weingarten
Emory University - Chemistry
[e-mail]
AOL - Chemdw
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:25:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "David N. Blank-Edelman" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: NOW Up-To-Date Scripting

At  8:47 PM 3/19/94 -0800, Benjamin Broder wrote:
>Has anyone had any success with scripting NOW Up-To-Date,

There's a whole set of example scripts (8 total) on AppleLink to do NUD 2.1
scripting.  Here's the path:

Developer Support: AppleScript Talk: Script Exchange

I have them and can forward if you need them.  They all conform to the
Schedule Suite (also on AppleLink: Developer Support: System 7 Talk: Apple
Events Discussion: Apple Events Suite Development: Schedule Suite 1.0'1)

Hope this helps.
    Peace,
       dNb
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:25:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chong Li <[e-mail]>
Subject:      test & ignore it

test
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:46:11 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Chong Li <[e-mail]>
Subject:      test & ignore it

another test
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 00:05:30 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

Or: If you have QK2. How about an AE calling a QK2 shortcut that calls the FM
script and then hits the Cancel button when and if the Cancel/Modify Find
dialogue window comes up or better yet just a QK2 calling the FM script or a
Tempo macro would be even better?  Just razzing you. Interesting predicament.
Another fine mess John's (John W. Baxter) gotten us into. Actually David ,
the only real suggestion I might make would be to have FM send an AE back
saying it didn't find any records and to send an AE to itself to hit the
Cancel button, if that could be done, not sure. Is that possible John
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 03:02:01 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Rejected posting to MACSCRPT@DARTCMS1

Possible dup because I also addressed it to "[e-mail]"?
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 06:32:03 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Richard Millward <[e-mail]>
Subject:      replying to digest (not *exactly* scripting...)

I'm relatively new to mailing lists. I've figured out how to set
MacScripting to "digest" so it's easier to read, but now I'm not sure how
to reply to a specific message within the digest using Eudora 1.4.2. Do I
just copy/paste the relevant portions into a new message, or is there some
more automated way that I'm not seeing? TIA.

Richard Millward
MCSNet/Chicago
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 08:57:26 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP OSAX under Frontier's FinderMenu
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri,
              18 Mar 94 08:43:24 PST." <[e-mail]>

David Lewis writes,

> >Where did you get the "Load OSAX droplet" from?
> >
> >Jeremy Quinn
> >
> CompuServe's UserLand forum. As I recall, it's in the UCMD/XCMD library.
>
>         David

You'll also find it on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
/frontier/applets/LoadOSAXDroplet.sit.hqx.


pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:04:00 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- NOW Up-To-Date Scrip

        Reply to:   RE>Re: NOW Up-To-Date Scriptin
> >Has anyone had any success with scripting NOW Up-To-Date,
>
> There's a whole set of example scripts (8 total) on AppleLink to do NUD
> 2.1 scripting.  Here's the path:
>
> Developer Support: AppleScript Talk: Script Exchange
>
> I have them and can forward if you need them.  They all conform to the
> Schedule Suite (also on AppleLink: Developer Support: System 7 Talk:
> Apple Events Discussion: Apple Events Suite Development: Schedule Suite
> 1.0'1)

Actually would it be possible to have them posted on gaea? NUD is pretty
popular and it would be easier than mailing them to folks. I would be most
interested in getting a copy any which way; they sound like just the thing for
a project I'm working on.

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:14:32 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Trude Olsen <[e-mail]>
Organization: Ostfold College
Subject:      Developer Support: AppleScript Talk: Script Exchange

Can you forward them to me??

Trude


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                       \ \\   " /       1778  HALDEN
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           ____       /= |  \_|/        tlf: 69 18 33 26
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                  `.__' `-____/       |--|==:
                     \    \ ===\      :==:`-'
                      _>    \ ===\    /==/
                     /==\   |  ===\__/--/
                    <=== \  /  ====\ \\/
                    _`--  \/  === \/--'
                   |       \ ==== |
                    -`------/`--' |
                            \___-'
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:09 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- MacPPP OSAX under Fr

        Reply to:   RE>Re: MacPPP OSAX under Front
>  You'll also find it on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
> /frontier/applets/LoadOSAXDroplet.sit.hqx.
>
>
> pf

Yeah, that's where I found it. The archive only includes the droplet itself
without any documentation for how to call osaxen from Frontier. Is it the same
as calling a UCMD? Does the version on Compuserve include any docs?

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:34:14 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Developer Support: AppleScript Talk: Script Exchange
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon,
              21 Mar 94 16:14:32 +0100." <[e-mail]>

Hi all,

David sent them to me, and I'm contacting Now Software to see if I can put
them on gaea. I'll let you know as soon as they are up.

> Can you forward them to me??
>
> Trude
>
Cool sig, Trude. :-{)

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:45:28 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      LoadOSAXDroplet docs?

        Reply to:   LoadOSAXDroplet docs?
>  You'll also find it on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
> /frontier/applets/LoadOSAXDroplet.sit.hqx.
>
>
> pf

Yeah, that's where I found it. The archive only includes the droplet itself
without any documentation for how to call osaxen from Frontier. Is it the same
as calling a UCMD? Does the version on Compuserve include any docs?

Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:18:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- MacPPP OSAX under Fr
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Mon,
              21 Mar 94 09:35:09 +0800." <[e-mail]>

Mark,

> >  You'll also find it on gaea.kgs.ukans.edu in
> > /frontier/applets/LoadOSAXDroplet.sit.hqx.
> >
> >
> > pf
>
> Yeah, that's where I found it. The archive only includes the droplet itself
> without any documentation for how to call osaxen from Frontier. Is it the same
> as calling a UCMD? Does the version on Compuserve include any docs?
>

No, it didn't (that version came straight from CI$). I'll get the
description of the file and send it to you. As I remember it, you just drop
the osax on it and the droplet creates a verb set for the osax in Frontier.
But I'll admit that it's been quite a while since I played with it. Anyone
else wanna comment?

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 08:28:56 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- MacPPP OSAX under Fr

[Referring to the LoadOSAX droplet for Frontier]:

>Yeah, that's where I found it. The archive only includes the droplet itself
>without any documentation for how to call osaxen from Frontier. Is it the same
>as calling a UCMD? Does the version on Compuserve include any docs?

The droplet loads the osax's code into the Frontier database, and builds a
script or scripts which send the various events defined in the Addition's
'aete' resource.  For example, the "beep" Addition (not very interesting)
produces a table at system.extensions.Beep.  The table has three items:

    beep      a script, reading
       on beep (n)  << Beep 1 or more times.
           return (appleEvent (@Beep.code.AEVTsysobeep, 'syso', 'beep',\
               '----', long(n)))

    code      a table, containing one item the binary object (typed as a UCMD,
since functional Scripting Additions and Frontier UCMDs are the same [in
many cases, the same source code can be used for either...exceptions being
those which require resources].

    objectHeirarchy   an outline (empty for Beep) which is a result of the
new 'aete' parser.  If the Addition defines a class in which to return its
data, that should show up here.  I think.

    --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:37:36 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      content space in scriptable Finder

Does anyone know how to use the content space property in the scriptable
Finder? The description sounds like it allows selections in multiple windows,
but I can't get it to work. I'm using scriptable Finder 1.1f2.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 07:53:18 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Organization: Aldus Corporation, Seattle, WA
Subject:      NDN:LoadOSAXDroplet docs?

Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
delivered!   Reasons listed below!   It has been deleted.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 11:42:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Steve Alex <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> MACSCRPT Digest - 18 Mar 1994 to 19 Mar 1994

I've done quit a bit of scripting in Now Up-To-Date, at least to the limited
support that they provide. You can do just about everything from AS. Someone
has already told you about the example scripts from the Now folks. The Main
thing to remember is that NUD documents (highest level) contain "calendars"
(which is really the "category"), Calendars contain "events", events have the
details, but also can have repeating items such as "Timeblocks". Descriptions
may or may not be there and will cause some problems that you will probably
have to use error trapping to get around.

I've developed a Frontmost application that looks at all the public servers
(by means of an open NUD application on a server that has all "calendars"
open) and posts the current status (in/out stuff) to a tableserver database.
If the NUD examples don't help you, I can send you more. The only real
problem I've found is implementation of the "whose" clause that is a little
strange. You can ask for all the events from a certain calendar and you can
ask for all the events between two dates (using the weird whose clause in
example 5), but you can't combine the statements and ask for all events from
a specific calendar between two dates. You'll also have a lot of fun with
dates!

Good luck.
Steve

+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Steve Alex            | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 12:18:15 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      NOW UPD scripts

Everyone,

Now Software gave me the go ahead to post their sample scripts to gaea. You'll
find them in

gaea.kgs.ukans.edu//applescript/scripts/NUDScheduleSuite.hqx
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu//applescript/scripts/NUDSamples.hqx

Enjoy.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 18:58:35 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Salih <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Error type 1

Help
I am statrting appleScript from zero.
I have installed Apple script and started practicing using "The Tao of Apple
 Script".

When I write the following command"

"Set the content of Window 1 of Application " Scriptable Text Editor" to " XYZ"

I have a crash  with the message "
" Application "Unkown" has unexpectedly quit because of type 1 error occured"

This case does happen when I quit Apple Script  and then try to reopen it and
 issue the above command ...
In every time I have to RESTART  in order to run the above command ...
What have I done wrong ?!!


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|==============================================================
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:41:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Error type 1

Salih <[e-mail]> wrote:

>"Set the content of Window 1 of Application " Scriptable Text Editor" to " XYZ"
>
>I have a crash  with the message:
>" Application "Unkown" has unexpectedly quit because of type 1 error occured"
>
>This case does happen when I quit Apple Script  and then try to reopen it and
> issue the above command ...

I think you mean, whenever you try to run the Script Editor again, it crashes.

>In every time I have to RESTART  in order to run the above command ...
>What have I done wrong ?!!

If the Script Editor crashes, it is normal for it not to work again
until you restart the machine.

It is not normal for the Script Editor to crash. Some possible reasons could be:

1) You don't have all the parts of AppleScript installed. For system 7.0 you
   need AppleScript, Apple Event manager, and Quicktime. For system 7.1, you
   need AppleScript and Apple Event manager

2) There could be an init conflict. Try turning off other extentions and
   control panels

3) The memory allocated for Script Editor could be too small. Try allocating
   more memory from the "Get Info" box.

4) The system might become corrupted by running apps that aren't very
   system 7 savvy. Try rebooting, then run the Script Editor without
   anything else before it.

5) The computer may crash if it is very close to being out of RAM memory.
   Check the available memory from the "About this Macintosh" dialog.
   You should have at least 200k margin or you might run into problems.

Also, I would recommend trying to send commands from the Script Editor one
line at a time until you find which line is causing the problem. For example,
I woulf first try:

Tell app "Scriptable Text Editor"
activate
end tell

If that works, then start adding to it, one line at a time, and run it
each time:

Tell app "Scriptable Text Editor"
activate
make window 1
  tell window 1
  set contents to "XYZ"
  end tell
save window 1 as text
quit
end tell


-Dave
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sun, 13 Mar 1994 23:36:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: PhotoFlash

>>I believe
>>that PhotoFlash from Apple did implement menu sharing, so I hope
>>this indicates some level of corporate commitment for UserLand's
>>product.
>>
>        That was because Apple bought PhotoFlash from a Userland savvy
>company.

Come on Leonard, give us a plug at least.  ;)

PhotoFlash was written by Storm Technology (of which I am an employee and
co-author of PhotoFlash) of Mountain View, CA.  Apple co-developed
PhotoFlash, which basically means that we wrote it and they are marketing
it.  They bought it because they liked the scriptability and were looking
for an photo manipulation program for their new QuickTake digital camera.

PhotoFlash itself is a scriptable photo-publishing program.  It doesn't
have editing capabilities, but it has everything you need to tweak photos,
including sharpen, blur, resize, crop, rotate, contrast, and more.  It runs
PhotoShop plugins and is VERY fast.  It launches quick and uses a very
flexible and speedy VM scheme so that it flies.

In addition, I've written some osaxen to control the QuickTake camera.
These will ship with the PowerPC version of PhotoFlash sometime "soon".
They allow you to download pictures, mount the camera on the desktop (like
a disk drive), take pictures and interogate the camera about its status.
It's pretty cool stuff!

As for menu sharing, we implemented it and Apple didn't make us take it out.  ;)

Jon

PS

It is my understanding that because Hypercard is written in Pascal and
Assembly, it cannot be ported to the PowerPC at this time.  Perhaps once a
Pascal compiler becomes available or it becomes worthwhile to convert the
executable code directly, we will see a native version.  Until then I doubt
it will occur.
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:55:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Weingarten <[e-mail]>
Subject:      applet to applet

Does any one know the correct way to send a custom event from
one applet to another?

Thanks,
David

David Weingarten
Emory University - Chemistry
[e-mail]
AOL - Chemdw
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:21:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kee Nethery [phone] <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontmost saving variables (Q)

I am working on creating a simple mail parser that reads mail, counts the
messages that come in, replies to each message and deletes the original.

I have a droplet running that does this but it resets the count or doesn't
save the count when it dies. I'd like to save the count so that if the
processor dies and I restart it, the count will continue.

I have tried saving the window in Frontmost after altering the text in a
textbox but that doesn't ride through a quit and restart. I don't want to
save to a text file and then read the text file each time I restart but I'm
beginning to think that is the only way to save data in a Frontmost
application.

Sure do like HyperCard for saving data in fields and retaining the
information. Any suggestions for Frontmost? I am trying to protect against
losing the count when the application crashes.

Kee Nethery

_________________________________________________________________
Kagi Engineering, 1442-A Walnut #362, Berkeley, CA 94709-1405 USA
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:05:57 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost saving variables (Q)
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

Try using a "Property".  Either book 'Tao of Applescript' or 'The
Complete AppleScript book' describes properties in detail.  By using an
item as a property (or counter), it behaves in much the way that a
hypercard field works, retaining the value every time that the program is
launched.

You can control it dynamically in the program as well.
Allan
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:11:40 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      InterSLIP / AE problem?

I have written a simple autodialer for InterSLIP using the scriptable app
InterSLIP/AE. The script is an 'aplet' (saved as a stay-open application
with Script Editor) that uses the on idle - end idle.

The script runs fine, except that the line that tells InterSLIP / AE to quit
causes InterSLIP to crash. If I leave InterSLIP / AE running after the
connection is made and the droplet quits, everything is fine.

Has anyone else had this problem?

-Dave Ray
[e-mail]

Here is the script for the applet. It launches InterSLIP Setup, selects the
'connect' button (using the Autotype osax), then checks post status every
2 seconds. If a connection is made, the program quits. If the port is idle,
the program selects the connect button again. It assumes that the reason
it didn't connect is because it is busy (it doesn't actually check this.)
It just keeps trying until the connection is made.



global i
set i to 1
on idle
  if i = 1 then
    tell application "Finder Liaison 1.1"
      Open (a reference to File "Mac:Comm:TCP Tools:InterSLIP Setup")
      quit
    end tell
    set i to i + 1
  else if i = 2 then
    tell application "InterSLIP/AE" to set status to (Get Status ID)
      if status = 0 then
        AutoType "m" holding "control"
      else if status = 4 then
        --(The following line causes InterSLIP to crash)
        --tell application "InterSLIP/AE" to quit
        quit
      end if
    end tell
  end if
  return 2
end idle
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:48:09 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Native Hypercard

I was stupid enough to say:
>It is my understanding that because Hypercard is written in Pascal and
>Assembly, it cannot be ported to the PowerPC at this time.  Perhaps once a
>Pascal compiler becomes available or it becomes worthwhile to convert the
>executable code directly, we will see a native version.  Until then I doubt
>it will occur.

Of course, as soon as I make a decidedly obvious statement like this, I
hear from the rumor mill about the possibility that Hypercard will be
ported to C in order to compile it native.  As another friend points out,
if that happens it might take longer than the appearance of the Metroworks
Pascal compiler.  So there is hope for a native Hypercard, just don't hold
your breath.  ;)

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 21 Mar 1994 21:48:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Saving data in FrontMost

>Sure do like HyperCard for saving data in fields and retaining the
>information. Any suggestions for Frontmost? I am trying to protect against
>losing the count when the application crashes.

You might try storing data in a script property.  If you have a script you
are running, it should save itself when it quits, so you can store the
property in there.  The trouble with this is that the property gets reset
when you recompile.  So, I recommend this:

Script 1:

property foo : ""

Save this as a compiled script named Foo.  Don't ever recompile it.

Script 2:

set x to load script file "Foo"
set oldData to x's foo   -- or
set oldData to foo of x  -- either one works
set x's foo to newData  -- foo of x works too
store script x in file "Foo" replacing yes

Get the idea?

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:54:41 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Error Messages

If you get a rejected posting message when you submit something to the
list, you need to update your addresses.  These are the ones everyone
should be using. It took me a couple of messages to realize that I was not
doing something wrong.  I suspect that the old address is forwarding
messages twice somehow.

Andy Williams, who must take a fair about of grief about his name, recently
posted these but without the caveat that they are different and should be
used immediately by everyone.

* [e-mail]
    the master controller. Mail is handled by computer
    so you have a limited set of commands you can send it.
    (Sending the HELP command will get you basics on this
    including instructions on how to sign off the list and
    set basic options for yourself like whether you want to
    receive the list in digest format or not)

* [e-mail]
    Fred Terry and Andy J. Williams, the list administrators.
    We can be contacted when you have a problem with the LISTSERV
    program above or when you have any administrative questions.

* [e-mail]
    the distribution list. Mail sent here goes to
    all the recipients.

Thanks and sorry for the repetition.

Jon
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:51:38 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Salih <[e-mail]>

Help
I am statrting appleScript from zero.
I have installed Apple script and started practicing using "The Tao of Apple
 Script".

When I wrote the following command"

"Set the content of Window 1 of Application " Scriptable Text Editor" to " XYZ"

I have a crash  with the message "
" Application "Unkown" has unexpectedly quit because of type 1 error occured"

This case does happen when I quit Apple Script  and then try to reopen it and
 issue the above command ...
In every time I have to RESTART  in order to run the above command ...
What have I done wrong ?!!


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Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 11:03:14 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Salih <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Error type1 and headache

Help
I am statrting appleScript from zero.
I have installed Apple script and started practicing using "The Tao of Apple
 Script".

When I wrote the following command"

"Set the content of Window 1 of Application " Scriptable Text Editor" to " XYZ"

I have a crash  with the message "
" Application "Unkown" has unexpectedly quit because of type 1 error occured"

This case does happen when I quit Apple Script  and then try to reopen it and
 issue the above command ...
In every time I have to RESTART  in order to run the above command ...
What have I done wrong ?!!

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| Muaadh Salih                  Tel (UK) :      071 323 6226   |
|                                                              |
| Department of the Languages   Fax (UK) :      071 436 3844   |
| and the Cultures of the Near                                 |
| and Middle East                                              |
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| School of Oriental and  African Studies                      |
| University of London      Internet: [e-mail]  |
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Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:18:09 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontmost saving variables (Q)

I don't know if there is something different about Frontmost, or if you
don't know about properties....  If it's the former, I can't help!  :)  If
it's the latter, then try using a property.  A property retains it's value
after the script quits.

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
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Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:29:15 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: InterSLIP / AE problem?

>I have written a simple autodialer for InterSLIP using the scriptable app
>InterSLIP/AE. The script is an 'aplet' (saved as a stay-open application
>with Script Editor) that uses the on idle - end idle.
>
        Cool!!

>The script runs fine, except that the line that tells InterSLIP / AE to quit
>causes InterSLIP to crash. If I leave InterSLIP / AE running after the
>connection is made and the droplet quits, everything is fine.
>
        Yah, I know about it.  It's a bug in IS/AE :(.

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:10:03 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Telnet application?

Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Telnet program available for the
Mac?  NCSA Telnet doesn't support AppleEvents, but what about commercial
Telnet products (do they even exist?)

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:00:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Anarchie question....

    Why does Anarchie tell me that it doesn't understand the "quit"
event, when it is listed in it's aete resource? It will let me do other
stuff, but it won't take a simple "tell app "Anarchie" to quit"
AppleScript statement. Thanks.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:05:40 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Scriptable Telnet application?

Here's the best solution I've thought of (although I haven't done it yet):
SitCOMM from Alladin. I've got VersaTerm, so I have the VersaTerm Telnet Tool
for the comm toolbox. You _should_ be able to script SitCOMM to do stuff
using this tool. Again, I haven't tried it yet (I'm waiting on SitCOMM). I
don't know of any free Telnet tools for the comm toolbox, though.

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 22, 1994 ------

Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Telnet program available for the
Mac?  NCSA Telnet doesn't support AppleEvents, but what about commercial
Telnet products (do they even exist?)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:12:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Anarchie question....

It works with AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3. Maybe a previous version of one or
the other?

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 22, 1994 ------

    Why does Anarchie tell me that it doesn't understand the "quit"
event, when it is listed in it's aete resource? It will let me do other
stuff, but it won't take a simple "tell app "Anarchie" to quit"
AppleScript statement. Thanks.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:16:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Telnet application?

>Does anyone know if there is a scriptable Telnet program available for the
>Mac?  NCSA Telnet doesn't support AppleEvents, but what about commercial
>Telnet products (do they even exist?)
>
>Steve
>
>---------------------
> [e-mail]
>---------------------

I've been using SITcomm with the TGE TCPtool.  It allows me to open up a
transparent connection to any port on any machine on the net (i.e., not
just telnet protocol).  I have an entry in SITcomm's address book which
specifies one particular machine and port--I haven't tried changing those
parameters on the fly with AppleScript yet.

                                -Steve.

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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:20:10 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Anarchie question....
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Jay Martin" at Mar 22, 94 04:12:24 pm

--Jay Martin wrote:
>
>It works with AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3. Maybe a previous version of one or
>the other?

    Nope, I have AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3. It says Application
"Anarchie" doesn't understand the quit message.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:36:00 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: Re> Anarchie question....

Hmmm...did you try just that line? I tried the following script just as a
test and it worked:

tell application "Anarchie" to activate
tell application "Anarchie" to quit
tell application "Anarchie"
        activate
        quit
end tell

If there's nothing else in the script, then I have no idea. Anyone else?

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 22, 1994 ------

    Nope, I have AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3. It says Application
"Anarchie" doesn't understand the quit message.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:40:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Re> Anarchie question....
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Jay Martin" at Mar 22, 94 04:36:00 pm

--Jay Martin wrote:
>
>Hmmm...did you try just that line? I tried the following script just as a
>test and it worked:
>
>tell application "Anarchie" to activate
>tell application "Anarchie" to quit
>tell application "Anarchie"
>        activate
>        quit
>end tell

    The activate command works just fine, it's the quit command that
gives the error. I'll try re-installing my copy of Anarchie to see if
that makes any difference. Thanks...

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:03:19 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jerry Wilcox <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Re> Anarchie question....

>Hmmm...did you try just that line? I tried the following script just as a
>test and it worked:
>
>tell application "Anarchie" to activate
>tell application "Anarchie" to quit
>tell application "Anarchie"
>        activate
>        quit
>end tell
>

As a datapoint, this script doesn't work for me -- I also get the message
that Application Anarchie doesn't understand the quit message. Using
Anarchie 1.1.3 and AS 1.1.

Jerry

-----
Jerry Wilcox - [e-mail]
All opinions are mine alone - the University can speak for itself.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 17:14:37 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Now Up to Date scripts

In a message dated: Tue, 22 Mar 94 15:03:26 PST, Jeff Fischer sez
>Fred:
>
>Thanks for posting the NUD scripts at gaea. Thought I'd mention (as
>perhaps others have as well) that the Schedule Suite file is named
>'ScheduleSuite.hqx', but you referred to it in the MACSCRPT mailing list
>as being named 'NUDScheduleSuite.hqx'. I mention it in case you want to
>either rename it or post a clarification to the list.
>

Yup. Just so's everyone knows the real name is now ScheduleSuite.hqx. I made
the change yesterday afternoon when I was told that Jim Kaslik of Chenna wrote
the suite. Since it isn't really Now's, I didn't think it appropriate to leave
the NUD prepended. The file is still in the same directory.

Thanks for reminding me to inform everyone, Jeff.

Have a good un; I'm outta here.

pf
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:48:53 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Anarchie question....

Jay Martin says

>It works with AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3. Maybe a previous version of one or
>the other?
>
>
>> ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 22, 1994 ------
>>
>>    Why does Anarchie tell me that it doesn't understand the "quit"
>>event, when it is listed in it's aete resource? It will let me do other
>>stuff, but it won't take a simple "tell app "Anarchie" to quit"
>>AppleScript statement. Thanks.

Hmmm...Anarchie 1.1.3 rejects the quit event from AppleScript 1.1 for me,
too.  I had just moved Anarchie from one machine to another
(8100)...bringing along the Preferences file didn't help...just tried that.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:53:07 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Re> Anarchie question....

At 16:36 3/22/94 -0500, Jay Martin wrote:
>Hmmm...did you try just that line? I tried the following script just as a
>test and it worked:
>
>tell application "Anarchie" to activate
>tell application "Anarchie" to quit
>tell application "Anarchie"
>        activate
>        quit
>end tell
>
>If there's nothing else in the script, then I have no idea. Anyone else?


That variation also fails for me, on the quit (probably the first one).
I'm running with Virtual Memory and the Modern Memory Manager on:  perhaps
that matters?  Mac 8100.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:10:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Re> Anarchie question....

Curiouser and curiouser...
   Anarchie (1.1.3) was still running after refusing AppleScript's
instruction to quit.

   So in Frontier, I executed
     anarchie.quit ()
which Anarchie accepted happily and quit.  My mind is looking somewhat
boggled at the moment.

[The sequence

    anarchie.launch()
    anarchie.quit()

is also happy.  But Script Editor still can't do it.  Could it be that the
'aete' has been damaged, in a copy that is an ancestor of the copies those
of us for whom it fails have (English teachers please ignore the prior
mess).  I got mine from Peter's directory on AMUG.]

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:30:27 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Benno Palmert <[e-mail]>
Subject:      nested fileloops and file.move in Frontier 3.0

What is going wrong:
I wrote a Frontier 3.0 deskscript with two nested fileloops.
The fileloop(f in path) is looping through a folder, designed
to first find a folder, then get its name, go to the inner loop,
loop through the same folder again to find files,
beginning with the same characters.
        The first fileloop should find only folders, get their names
and then go to the inner loop looking for filenames beginning
with the same characters. When the script encounters identical names,
the files are moved (in the inner fileloop) inside the previous
found folder with the file.move() function.

        After the first file was moved, and the inner loop
doesn't find more matches the loop returns to the outer loop,
and than the outer loop reports an error: "File ... not found!"
This happens only when using file.move() with file.copy() its working. i
Apparently the outer loop expects some file, but can't find it because the
file.move() function changed the list or order of files - perhaps?

I know, I can use the new list verb in Frontier 3.0 to get
a list of all folders, and then use only one fileloop.
But I want to understand why Frontier is reporting this
error and how I can bypass it.

thanks,
Benno Palmert
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 16:46:18 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Leonard Rosenthol <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Scriptable Telnet application?

>Here's the best solution I've thought of (although I haven't done it yet):
>SitCOMM from Alladin. I've got VersaTerm, so I have the VersaTerm Telnet Tool
>for the comm toolbox. You _should_ be able to script SitCOMM to do stuff
>using this tool. Again, I haven't tried it yet (I'm waiting on SitCOMM). I
>don't know of any free Telnet tools for the comm toolbox, though.
>
        SITcomm works quite nicely over Telnet (with any of the available
Telnet tools) so that is indeed your best bet!

Leonard

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leonard Rosenthol                       Internet:       [e-mail]
Director of Advanced Technology         AppleLink:      MACgician
Aladdin Systems, Inc.                   GEnie:          MACgician
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:54:42 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Craig Richmond <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anarchie question....

At  5:00 PM 3/22/94 -0500, Brian V. Hughes wrote:
>    Why does Anarchie tell me that it doesn't understand the "quit"
>event, when it is listed in it's aete resource? It will let me do other
>stuff, but it won't take a simple "tell app "Anarchie" to quit"
>AppleScript statement. Thanks.

I know Peter Lewis used to read this list but got scared off by all the
traffic, so I sent him the question and here is the reply.

I know the next version is just about ready for release so don't inundate
him with requests for the beta release.  If it isn't essential for you just
hang back a week or two and it will be out.  It has nonymous logins :-) (as
opposed to anonymous ones)

Craig

Peter Lewis wrote:

>>tell application "Anarchie" to quit

>That variation also fails for me, on the quit (probably the first one).
>I'm running with Virtual Memory and the Modern Memory Manager on:  perhaps
>that matters?  Mac 8100.

It's very simple, it's a bug.  I used core instead of CoRe or vice-versa.
Anyway, it'll be fixed in the next version (indeed it's fixed in the latest
version sent to registered users on my beta list).  If you want to try it
out, mail me (which is generally a better way of finding solutions to
program-specific problems anyway).

--
Craig Richmond, Computer Officer, ECEL Computing Services  [phone]
The University of Western Australia      or 380 3860 Email for FAX Number
[e-mail] Dvorak Keyboards RULE!  "Messes are only acceptable
if users make them.  Applications aren't allowed this freedom" I.M.VI 2-4
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:41:51 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: nested fileloops and file.move in Frontier 3.0

setPath!
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 21:57:06 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Penelope Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Filemaker Pro Over A Networ

Filemaker Pro Over A Network
I am interested in using applescript to exchange records between two files
across a network.  Would someone please share the syntax for opening a database
across a network.

********************************************************************************
Penelope Jones                             Internet:  [e-mail]
Florida State University                   AT&Tnet:   (904) 644-PENY
Telecommunications, B-72                   FAXnet:    [phone]
Tallahassee, FL 32306-2035

********************************************************************************
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:27:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: nested fileloops and file.move in Frontier 3.0

At 20:30 3/22/94 +0100, Benno Palmert wrote:

>I wrote a Frontier 3.0 deskscript with two nested fileloops.
>The fileloop(f in path) is looping through a folder,

etc.

I have constructed a script here which behaves as you say.  I don't think
it should behave that way.  I have put a copy of the script into the
CompuServe forum, addressed to Doug Baron (same subject you used there).
Doug should see the messages sometime Wednesday.

In the meantime, I think the work around would be to make two passes
   First:  construct a list of files which need to be moved (a two-level
fileloop nest, which would build the list).
   Second: a loop which moves each file in the list into the right folder.

   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:32:34 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         SteakFace <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Two questions in an attempt to script Eudora/MacPPP

I'm trying to write my first script that will start up MacPPP, dial in,
establish, start Eudora, check for mail, and then disconnect MacPPP.

I've run into a problem gettin MacPPP to wait until all the mail has been
transfered before dropping the link.

1. Is there a way to put a "wait" into a script? I can't find a reference to
   this in The Complete AS Handbook.

2. Just how does the "notify" work in the Eudora suite? I found it in the
   apps dictionary, but haven't sussed it's use yet. Can you check for a
   "the mail has all arrived" notice? Something linked to the notification
   that Eudora does itself that can be used to trigger the end of the script.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers
SteakFace



=================================================================
SteakFace     graphic designer - media manipulator - bad mood guy
datapanik                                    [e-mail]
Vancouver, Canada
=================================================================
My cat would like to know why it is that we humans are so willing
to lick each other's genitals, but we won't lick our own.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:39:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Filemaker Pro Over A Networ

At 21:57 3/22/94 +0000, Penelope Jones wrote:
>Filemaker Pro Over A Network
>I am interested in using applescript to exchange records between two files
>across a network.  Would someone please share the syntax for opening a database
>across a network.

Hi...
   Assuming that the remote volume is already mounted (left as an exercise
for the reader ;-) ), try something like

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    activate
    Open file "HD:FileMaker:JWB" of machine "JWB"
end tell


You can specify the network zone, if needed:
   file "HD:FileMaker:JWB" of machine "JWB" of zone "Foo"

[I finally got one right the first try!]
   --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:13:33 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralf Sigmund <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Selecting FileMaker records using AS

>For medium to large FileMaker databases, search time can become very long
>Y(I learned how to specifiy timeouts in AppleScript because of that).  If
>that becomes a problem, try to express the search in a FileMaker
>script/macro thing, and trigger that from your AppleScript script.  The
>diference in execution time can be considerable.
>   --John
Having a database with 6400  records  the difference in excution speed is 2
seconds to 8 Minutes....

How can I tell FMpro for which term in which field I would like to search ?

Is there something like an internal variable "theSearchItem" in Filemaker pro?

[e-mail] (Ralf Sigmund)
Tel.: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 07:34:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: Anarchie question....

>Peter Lewis wrote:

>>>tell application "Anarchie" to quit

>>That variation also fails for me, on the quit (probably the first one).
>>I'm running with Virtual Memory and the Modern Memory Manager on:  perhaps
>>that matters?  Mac 8100.

>It's very simple, it's a bug.  I used core instead of CoRe or vice-versa.
>Anyway, it'll be fixed in the next version (indeed it's fixed in the latest
>version sent to registered users on my beta list).  If you want to try it
>out, mail me (which is generally a better way of finding solutions to
>program-specific problems anyway).

OK. So why does it work for me? I tried it AGAIN this morning, making sure it
was Anarchie 1.1.3, and it was. And it worked. Can anyone explain? Peter's
explanation implies that it doesn't work at all, but I swear mine does!

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 07:38:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Scriptable Telnet application?

>        SITcomm works quite nicely over Telnet (with any of the available
>Telnet tools) so that is indeed your best bet!

Sorry, Leonard, I had the capitalization wrong for SITcomm! Then again, I was
lucky to spell it right...   ;-)

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:36:25 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Lee K. Hoong" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

>
>How can I tell FMpro for which term in which field I would like to search ?
>
>Is there something like an internal variable "theSearchItem" in Filemaker pro?

If you are searching for a specific item in a specific field each time,
this can be incorporated into the FileMaker script via the ScriptMaker.
Look in the manuals for details.

Lee.

Lee K. Hoong
Dept. of Chemistry, Emory University
Internet: [e-mail]  |  America On-line: LHOONG
Disclaimer: I speak for myself only, not for Emory University
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 10:23:52 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tom Donovan <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Two questions in an attempt to script Eudora/MacPPP

>I'm trying to write my first script that will start up MacPPP, dial in,
>establish, start Eudora, check for mail, and then disconnect MacPPP.
>
>I've run into a problem gettin MacPPP to wait until all the mail has been
>transfered before dropping the link.
>
>1. Is there a way to put a "wait" into a script? I can't find a reference t=
o
>   this in The Complete AS Handbook.
>
>2. Just how does the "notify" work in the Eudora suite? I found it in the
>   apps dictionary, but haven't sussed it's use yet. Can you check for a
>   "the mail has all arrived" notice? Something linked to the notification
>   that Eudora does itself that can be used to trigger the end of the scrip=
t.
>
>Any help appreciated.
>
>Cheers
>SteakFace

What follows is a sample script for a "Notify" applet that came from the
list a while ago.  I'm afraid I don't know who originally sent it, so I
can't give credit where it is due.


on =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB msgList

--Respond to notification event here

end =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB

-- Below requires the location of the Notify applet, assumed "Hard Disk:Noti=
fy"

on run
   tell application "Eudora"
      Please Notify alias "Hard Disk:Notify" with Notify
   end tell
end run


on quit
   tell application "Eudora"
      Please Notify alias "Hard Disk:Notify" without Notify
   end tell
   continue quit
end quit


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tom Donovan           "Perhaps the most universal information trap is the...
System Administrator   trap of forgetting what it's like not to know. The
CoVis Project          minute we know something, we forget what it was like
Northwestern Univ.     not to know it."
                                                    --Richard S. Wurman
E-mail: [e-mail]                    "Information Anxiety"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 08:18:43 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Allan R. Crump" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Modeless Dialog Applescript

Has anyone out there created an applet or script which can display a
modeless dialog window ?   I need to finish up a current project which
will allow the user to either ignore a posted message and click back to
the desktop or other application, leaving the dialog box showing.  I
cannot do this with a modal dialog box because it expects to be dismissed
after displaying itself.

I would appreciate any suggestions.
Allan
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:17:49 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

At 10:13 3/23/94 +0100, Ralf Sigmund wrote:
[quoting me]
>>For medium to large FileMaker databases, search time can become very long
>>Y(I learned how to specifiy timeouts in AppleScript because of that).  If
>>that becomes a problem, try to express the search in a FileMaker
>>script/macro thing, and trigger that from your AppleScript script.  The
>>diference in execution time can be considerable.
>>   --John
>Having a database with 6400  records  the difference in excution speed is 2
>seconds to 8 Minutes....
>
>How can I tell FMpro for which term in which field I would like to search ?

If the search you need to do is completely different each time, I don't
have a good idea.  At the other end of the scale, of course, would be one
of 6 or 7 "canned" searches, each with its own FileMaker macro.

The middle ground is interesting, and I haven't explored it (my FileMaker
native scripting experience is very small).  It might be useful to open a
second database, whose sole function is to carry parameter data from your
AppleScript or Frontier scripts into FileMaker in a known place where your
FileMaker scripts can access it.  I haven't explored that idea.

>Is there something like an internal variable "theSearchItem" in Filemaker pro?

Not that I know of, sorry to say.

  --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 09:35:25 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Anarchie question....

>OK. So why does it work for me? I tried it AGAIN this morning, making sure it
>was Anarchie 1.1.3, and it was. And it worked. Can anyone explain? Peter's
>explanation implies that it doesn't work at all, but I swear mine does!

Pure speculation:  you compiled the script in question with an older
version of Anarchie which had the 'aete' correct, or didn't mention quit
explicitly at all.

[Try making a copy (so as not to damage your working one) of the script,
and recompiling the copy.]
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
   "This is the network of our disconnect"
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:19:17 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: Re> Re: Anarchie question....

Nope. Here is the exact script that I typed in:

tell application "Anarchie" to activate
tell application "Anarchie" to quit

I then checked the syntax, and ran the script. Anarchie started up, then
quit. VERY STRANGE!!!

BTW, here are the dates for my copy of Anarchie:

Created: Feb 23, 1994, 1:13PM
Modified: Feb 23, 1994, 1:20PM

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+

 ------ From: Macintosh Scripting Systems, Mar 23, 1994 ------

Pure speculation:  you compiled the script in question with an older
version of Anarchie which had the 'aete' correct, or didn't mention quit
explicitly at all.

[Try making a copy (so as not to damage your working one) of the script,
and recompiling the copy.]
   --John
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 11:00:51 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Re: Re> Re: Anarchie question....

>Nope. Here is the exact script that I typed in:
>
>tell application "Anarchie" to activate
>tell application "Anarchie" to quit
>
>I then checked the syntax, and ran the script. Anarchie started up, then
>quit. VERY STRANGE!!!
>
>BTW, here are the dates for my copy of Anarchie:
>
>Created: Feb 23, 1994, 1:13PM
>Modified: Feb 23, 1994, 1:20PM

The dates here are the same.

The above script still fails here.  But, as expected, this one works:

activate application "Anarchie"
quit application "Anarchie"

That's because AppleScript uses its own knowledge of the quit command to
create the event in the latter case (we're outside any "tell" here).  I
think.

Anyhow, the above seems to point to the workaround.  Others???

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 23 Mar 1994 21:02:55 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Ralf Sigmund <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re Re: Selecting FileMaker records using AS

>At 10:13 3/23/94 +0100, Ralf Sigmund wrote:
>[quoting me]
>>>For medium to large FileMaker databases, search time can become very long
>>>Y(I learned how to specifiy timeouts in AppleScript because of that).  If
>>>that becomes a problem, try to express the search in a FileMaker
>>>script/macro thing, and trigger that from your AppleScript script.  The
>>>diference in execution time can be considerable.
>>>   --John
>>Having a database with 6400  records  the difference in excution speed is =
2
>>seconds to 8 Minutes....
>>
>>How can I tell FMpro for which term in which field I would like to search =
?
>
>If the search you need to do is completely different each time, I don't
>have a good idea.  At the other end of the scale, of course, would be one
>of 6 or 7 "canned" searches, each with its own FileMaker macro.
>

It is unfotunatlely always completely different. The FMpro Database is a
Database of chemical compounds and their physical properties.
What I am trying to do is to retrive the physical data belonging to an
given chemical compound from within an other application (( CSC ChemFinder
plus 2.0))
=46or example I just type "Methanol" to the name field in Chem Finder=B4s
database and an script attached to this field fills in the missing data
into the chem finder database from the FilemakerPro database....

--- Ralf

[e-mail] (Ralf Sigmund)
Tel.: [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 11:42:14 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier: Launching scripts into background threads

Is it possible to launch a Frontier script into a background thread?  I
make heavy use of FinderMenus,
but one of the problems with this is that whenever a long, complex script
is launched by one of my
FinderMenus, all the FinderMenus become unavailable until the script
terminates.  Is there anything
I can do to make the FinderMenu scripts run in a background thread, thereby
returning me to
FinderMenus immediately?

-David.
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 11:13:02 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      gaea change

Morning everyone,

Lee Hoong was initially confused by the format of the ScheduleSuite file (it's
a SuperViewer file) so I decided to head off future problems. I've combined
the document with a Read Me file and the free to distribute Viewer and
re-uploaded them to gaea. Since it really is documentation, I shoved it in the
/applescript/docs directory.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:47:53 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Authorware print docs scripts

I am looking for _any_ Authorware scripts, but more specifically printing
scripts that will allow printing without actually ever leaving Authorware.
Needed for printing coupons, maps, for a 24-hour City Hall kiosk. Frontier,
QuicKeys, AppleScript, anything. Would there be anything on gaea? How do I
access gaea.

Thanks,

Bill Jamison
City of Longview
1-206-577-3392
fax [phone]
AOL - Jami1
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 14:57:13 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kenneth J. Fox" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Syntax checking on dynamic references

Hi,
Being somewhat of a recent convert from 100% HyperTalk to
a mix of AppleScripting, I am having a problem with
AppleScript's ability to check syntax of some of my handlers

I'm writing some applications that require a tell
to reference a remote machine.  Looking ahead to the day when
either the name of the target machine or zone changes, I'd
like to read the names of these out of fields and then use these
variables in the tell such as:

   set theMachine to card field "machine"
   set theZone to card field "zone"

   tell application "Notify Server" of machine theMachine of zone theZone
      Page me Message "help"
   end tell

The syntax appears correct, but the variables are not substituted at check
time and so the application can't be found, script won't compile and I'm
sunk.  Any ideas on how to make the machine and zone come in from a field.
I assume the same problem would occur with FrontMost but I can't afford to
change the entire stack over even if it didn't.

Thanks in advance,
Ken

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kenneth J. Fox
Rockwell Automation - Allen Bradley Co.
Milwaukee, WI [phone]
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 13:05:35 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Scott Trotter <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Language Guide Errata Errata

In the "Language Guide Errata" release note that comes with AS 1.1, there
is a problem described on page 139 concerning the text of a range of words
in a string. Specifically, the book's example:

    text of words 1 thru 4 of "We're all in this together"
    --result: We're all in this"

produces a a different result, namely a list of words instead of a string:

    --result: {"We're", "all", "in", "this"}

To get the correct result, you must use the following syntax:

    text from word 1 to word 4 of "We're all in this together"
    --result: We're all in this"


I wanted to let everyone know that there is another example of this same
problem on page 63 of the AS Language Guide, in the section describing
String values. The "Notes" subsection reads as follows:

    To get a contiguous range of characters within a string, use the text
    element. For example, the value of the following statement is the
    string "y thi".

    get text of characters 3 thru 7 of "Try this at home"
    --result: "y thi"

    The result of the same statement without the text element is a list.

    get characters 3 thru 7 of "Try this at home"
    --result: {"y", " ", "t", "h", "i"}

In fact, both statements product the same list as a result. To get the
string instead of the list, you must use the statement:

    get text from character 3 to character 7 of "Try this at home"
    --result: "y thi"

BTW, you can also coerce the list into a string, *provided* that you
haven't changed Applescript's text item delimiters:

    get characters 3 thru 7 of "Try this at home" as string
    --result: "y thi"


--
======================================================================
Scott Trotter          Desktop Strategies       Beaverton, Oregon, USA
email: [e-mail]    fax: [phone]    voice: 503.641.3741
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:25:00 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Authorware print docs scripts
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 24 Mar 94 15:47:53 EST"

Bill,

>I am looking for _any_ Authorware scripts, but more specifically printing
>scripts that will allow printing without actually ever leaving Authorware.
>Needed for printing coupons, maps, for a 24-hour City Hall kiosk. Frontier,
>QuicKeys, AppleScript, anything. Would there be anything on gaea? How do I
>access gaea.

I don't recall anything Authorware-specific on gaea. You reach gaea via FTP at
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Check the frontier, applescript, and QuicKeys directories.

Is Authorware scriptable (I'm not familiar with the program)? If so, are you
planning on attaching a print script to a button? If it isn't, QuicKeys will
give you a "reasonable" interface for your scripts. I can elaborate if that's
the direction you are headed.

Perhaps someone who knows the program can give a better suggestion.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 14:07:47 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier: Launching scripts into background threads

>Is it possible to launch a Frontier script into a background thread?  I
>make heavy use of FinderMenus,
>but one of the problems with this is that whenever a long, complex script
>is launched by one of my
>FinderMenus, all the FinderMenus become unavailable until the script
>terminates.  Is there anything
>I can do to make the FinderMenu scripts run in a background thread, thereby
>returning me to
>FinderMenus immediately?

Top of head answer (all the good stuff fell to the bottom 30 years ago,
unfortunately--Army Basic Training did that):

You could try sending a 'misc' 'dosc' event to Frontier (from the script in
the FinderMenu item), using the finderEvent () verb.  FinderEvent does not
wait for a reply...the string sent as the '----' parameter would be trigger
the script you actually want to execute.

Please let us know whether that works for you <grin>.

I may be missing something less obscure, too.  --John

--John W. Baxter    Port Ludlow, WA USA   [e-mail]
  UserLand Software support
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 20:42:54 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      a request for contributions

Everyone,

I'm wrapping up a book on AppleScript in the next couple of months.
Like most writers, I tend to live in a world of my own creation that
may or may not be tapped into the "real" world. Because I want this book
to reflect the real world, and I can tell that some of you are systems
integrators like me, I thought I would try to get some examples from
other scripters.

The book is slanted towards systems integrators--people that take
off-the-shelf applications and combine them with scripts to solve problems or
add features that they could never get from a commercial application. What
I'm looking for are scripts that wrap the functions of two or three
applications (word processor, database, spreadsheet, page layout and
graphics packages) together. M & T Books is publishing the book. If you
have something you would like to contribute, drop me a note at
[e-mail]. If your script is included in the book, you'll get
your name (and your script) immortalized in print.


pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 23:44:50 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: a request for contributions
In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of THU 24 MAR 1994 09:42:54 EST

>I'm wrapping up a book on AppleScript in the next couple of months.
[...]
>If you
>have something you would like to contribute, drop me a note

Well, I don't have a script to offer but...

    I've been working for the past year on what would now be called an
improved version of FolderWatcher (Although FW didn't exist when I
started coding). It will be a shareware app (faceless) that, like FW,
will keep an eye on folders. However, *un*like FW, it uses an internal
index to determine exactly how the folder changed, so that a more
specific action can be taken than just running a generic script. Thus,
you can have specific scripts handle newly arrived files, files not
modified for a certain amount of time, files moving around, etc, etc.
This is of course much more difficult to implement than simply watching
the folder's modification date.

    The package will contain an internal library of pre-defined actions,
such as copy file, move file, rename, make alias, print, etc. for
folks that don't have AS. However, there are numerous ways to tie
in AS, including attaching a script to a folder so that the script gets
a shot at all detected events, making it a very useful scripting tool.

    I'm projecting a stable beta within a few (maybe several) weeks,
and a release shortly after that. All told, maybe another 2/3  months
until release. (Definately first half, and I would be disappointed
if it were any later than, say, late April.)

    I'll be sending my end product to the Tao people and Danny
Goodman's crew, but those books don't seem to be headed in the direction
of an updated release (although you never know -- they still don't
cover AS1.1).

    Anyway, if you'll be including s/w with your book, I thought this
might interest you. I'm rather excited about this product's
flexibility -- I'm already using it on my system. Please let me know
if you're interested or not in including the end product -- I feel it
might prove useful to your target group of people, and I would be more
than happy to give you distribution rights. Of course, I'd also be
happy to send you a beta as soon as a decent one is achieved, so you
can check it out.

    Sincerely,

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 24 Mar 1994 20:48:30 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Frontier: Launching scripts into background threads

I said...
>Top of head answer (all the good stuff fell to the bottom 30 years ago,
>unfortunately--Army Basic Training did that):

[Details omitted, because...]

Sad to say, it doesn't work (the script goes off executing independently,
but the menus stay dimmed until it's done).

Something that SHOULD work would be to have the menu script set a handy
flag in the Frontier database.  A Frontier agent would watch that flag, and
run the desired script when it is found to be true (setting the flag false
would be a good idea, too).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:16:40 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Taylor Leaming H3-283 <[e-mail]>
Subject:      [e-mail]

> I'm wrapping up a book on AppleScript in the next couple of months.
> Like most writers, I tend to live in a world of my own creation that
> may or may not be tapped into the "real" world. Because I want this book
> to reflect the real world, and I can tell that some of you are systems
> integrators like me, I thought I would try to get some examples from
> other scripters.
>
> The book is slanted towards systems integrators--people that take
> off-the-shelf applications and combine them with scripts to solve problems or
> add features that they could never get from a commercial application. What
> I'm looking for are scripts that wrap the functions of two or three
> applications (word processor, database, spreadsheet, page layout and
> graphics packages) together. M & T Books is publishing the book. If you
> have something you would like to contribute, drop me a note at
> [e-mail]. If your script is included in the book, you'll get
> your name (and your script) immortalized in print.

All I have are some scripts I wrote to automate SITcomm for logging into my
Sparc at work, through the company firewall, and also for connecting to a
number of FTP sites (log in, move to appropriate areas...with messaging).
If these would be of interest, I can send them to you.

If you would like someone to proof-read/review your draft for your book, I
would be happy to help you out.  :)

Taylor
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:54:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      ScriptEditor not scriptable!

I just tried to drop a copy of ScriptEditor onto ScriptEditor and was
suprised to find that it isn't scriptable!  This seems really dumb to me.
If it was, I could add some of the things that I want it to do, like
find/replace, comment selected lines, etc.  Any word on whether the
ScriptEditor itself will support AppleScript in the future?  Are there any
3rd party script editing programs that support AppleEvents?

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:48:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Myers <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Looking for a scriptable, file-based grep

Is anybody aware of a scriptable grep that works on files, rather
than strings?  I have checked out "greplet" on gaea and the grep
osax, but these two have the same problem: you have to pass the
source string along with the pattern via an appleEvent.  If your
intention is to grep a whole file, you end up chopping up the file
yourself and passing it line by line over the very low-bandwidth
appleEvent interface.  What I'm looking for is a grepper that
you can simply point at a file and set it going, like this: (pardon
the UserTalk bias, you AppleScripters...)

grep.launch()
resultingRec = grep.doAGrep(filespec, pattern)

(err, to maintain UNIXness, I suppose those args
should be (pattern, filespec).  UNIX grep always seems backward
to me...)  I would really like the resulting record to be the text
of each line that matched, just like UNIX grep.

This *can't* be a difficult thing to do, and I would do it myself
(really I would) if I had a C compiler anymore...Anyway, I'd
appreciate it if somebody could steer me in the right direction.

-David
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:59:30 CST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Kenneth J. Fox" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptEditor not scriptable!

>I just tried to drop a copy of ScriptEditor onto ScriptEditor and was
>suprised to find that it isn't scriptable!  This seems really dumb to me.
>If it was, I could add some of the things that I want it to do, like
>find/replace, comment selected lines, etc.  Any word on whether the
>ScriptEditor itself will support AppleScript in the future?  Are there any
>3rd party script editing programs that support AppleEvents?
>
>Steve
>
>---------------------
> [e-mail]
>---------------------

I'm not sure if this is what you want, but the thought occurred to me that
HyperCard 2.2 is scriptable and you can essentially create your own script
editor by creating a card field for the script text.  If the card field is
named "myText" then the following line of code executes the field as
AppleScript.

do card field "myText" as AppleScript

You are then free to create any handlers you want on the card to do things
such as block comment, etc. Lot of coding, but very adaptable.

Just a thought!
Ken

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kenneth J. Fox
Rockwell Automation - Allen Bradley Co.
Milwaukee, WI [phone]
[e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:00:12 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a scriptable, file-based grep
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 25 Mar 94 15:48:54 EST"

David,

>Is anybody aware of a scriptable grep that works on files, rather
>than strings?  I have checked out "greplet" on gaea and the grep
>osax, but these two have the same problem: you have to pass the
>source string along with the pattern via an appleEvent.  If your
>intention is to grep a whole file, you end up chopping up the file
>yourself and passing it line by line over the very low-bandwidth
>appleEvent interface.  What I'm looking for is a grepper that
>you can simply point at a file and set it going, like this: (pardon
>the UserTalk bias, you AppleScripters...)
>
>grep.launch()
>resultingRec = grep.doAGrep(filespec, pattern)
>
>(err, to maintain UNIXness, I suppose those args
>should be (pattern, filespec).  UNIX grep always seems backward
>to me...)  I would really like the resulting record to be the text
>of each line that matched, just like UNIX grep.
>
>This *can't* be a difficult thing to do, and I would do it myself
>(really I would) if I had a C compiler anymore...Anyway, I'd
>appreciate it if somebody could steer me in the right direction.


I won't pretend to know everything that's out there, but I've also looked for
this and haven't been able to find out. You can use the Regular Expressions
and the File IO osaxen in Mark Alldritt's Script Tools to compare each line of
a file against an expression (which I started working on last night), but it
sounds like you've already thought of this.

I looked at the source code included in the grepup.sit.hqx file, but I'm a C
newbie and just don't have the time to do it right now no matter how badly I
want it.

Does anyone else know of a scriptable grep? (Please say yes.)

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
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Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 16:24:45 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         King Rhoton <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a scriptable, file-based grep

MacPerl has grep built-in, and can be called from applescript (and, it's free!).

King Rhoton                                             [e-mail]
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Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 13:26:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptEditor not scriptable!

>I just tried to drop a copy of ScriptEditor onto ScriptEditor and was
>suprised to find that it isn't scriptable!  This seems really dumb to me.
>If it was, I could add some of the things that I want it to do, like
>find/replace, comment selected lines, etc.  Any word on whether the
>ScriptEditor itself will support AppleScript in the future?  Are there any
>3rd party script editing programs that support AppleEvents?
>

Strange, isn't it, that the AppleScript Script Editor is not scriptable.
Surely there will be a third party editor sometime, unless Apple beats the
parties to it.

Meanwhile, Frontier is a highly scriptable (but not "Scriptable" in the
Apple PR sense of being scriptable using object model terminology) venue in
which to edit AppleScript scripts (use version 3.0.1 or higher).  The
Frontier editor also does not have a 32K limit on the size of a script (and
Frontier has a Search/Replace, too).

And you might even find yourself writing some of your scripts in UserTalk
now and then.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:28:49 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Looking for a scriptable, file-based grep
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Fri, 25 Mar 94 16:24:45 EST"

King,

>MacPerl has grep built-in, and can be called from applescript (and, it's free!
>).

Whoa! Great suggestion.

pf
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Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:21:07 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      More AnArchie questions...

    I have found a very strange behaviour in Anarchie, or at least it
seems strange to me. It won't correctly upload or download a text file
from my Unix account. It seems to have a problem with the carridge
return to line feed conversion between the MacOS and Unix. Fetch handles
this quite nicely, but I can't script Fetch like I can AnArchie. Anyone
know of a way to handle this?

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:23:57 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripting ObjectMaster

Has anyone experience with scripting ObjectMaster?  I'm just trying to get
either the contents of the top most window, or the current selection.
However, if I say:

  set x to count characters of window 1

it returns zero, regardless of how much text is in the window, implying
that windows don't have text in them.  What object does and how do I get
the text in it?

The manual talks about AppleEvents, but only in low level terms.  I can't
make heads or tails out of it (note that I'm currently using OM to develop
for Unix, not Mac, unfortunately.)

Steve

---------------------
 [e-mail]
---------------------
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Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:58:12 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Brian Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Syntax checking on dynamic references

>From:    "Kenneth J. Fox" <[e-mail]>
>
>Looking ahead to the day when
>either the name of the target machine or zone changes, I'd
>like to read the names of these out of fields and then use these
>variables in the tell such as:
>
>   set theMachine to card field "machine"
>   set theZone to card field "zone"
>
>   tell application "Notify Server" of machine theMachine of zone theZone
>      Page me Message "help"
>   end tell
>
>The syntax appears correct, but the variables are not substituted at check
>time and so the application can't be found, script won't compile and I'm
>sunk.  Any ideas on how to make the machine and zone come in from a field.
>I assume the same problem would occur with FrontMost but I can't afford to
>change the entire stack over even if it didn't.

I remember having this problem at a MacWorld show.  It turns out that
AppleScript needs to either be able to send a "Get Info" type event to the
remote app (and ask for the needed scripting info) *or* you need a copy on
the local machine (even though you will send the event to the remote one.

Give that a try.

ps- You might want to send a link to EX.MACHINA (AppleLink) and suggest
they implement the needed events.


__________________________________________________________________________
Brian Hall                                     Internet: [e-mail]
Mark/Space Softworks                             AppleLink, AOL: MARKSPACE
Macintosh connectivity software.   Goodies at ftp.netcom.com in pub/mspace
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 13:31:47 +0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Craig Richmond <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: More AnArchie questions...

At  5:21 PM 3/25/94 -0500, Brian V. Hughes wrote:
>    I have found a very strange behaviour in Anarchie, or at least it
>seems strange to me. It won't correctly upload or download a text file
>from my Unix account. It seems to have a problem with the carridge
>return to line feed conversion between the MacOS and Unix. Fetch handles
>this quite nicely, but I can't script Fetch like I can AnArchie. Anyone
>know of a way to handle this?

Sorry guys, I know this isn't Applescript, but Anarchie is such a great
program, I thought I better sort it out.

Anarchie cannot tell from the remote site whether a file is text or binary.
The default therefore is to download files as binary because applications
can convert the carriage returns themselves if they happen to be text
files.  Whereas an application cannot turn a text transfered back into a
binary file reliably.

Anarchie also supports Fetch's suffix mappings data, so if you configure
your Fetch suffix mappings to treat all files ending in .txt as text files,
then Anarchie will download them using ASCII mode rather than binary.

If you have Anarchie questions that do not relate to Applescript, (or even
ones that do) read the documentation, and then just mail Peter.  He gets
depressed when I send him things from obscure places where people are
complaining about bugs in his software.

Cheers,
Craig

--
Craig Richmond, Computer Officer, ECEL Computing Services  [phone]
The University of Western Australia      or 380 3860 Email for FAX Number
[e-mail] Dvorak Keyboards RULE!  "Messes are only acceptable
if users make them.  Applications aren't allowed this freedom" I.M.VI 2-4
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 21:57:39 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         SteakFace <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Two questions in an attempt to script Eudora/MacPPP

>What follows is a sample script for a "Notify" applet that came from the
>list a while ago.  I'm afraid I don't know who originally sent it, so I
>can't give credit where it is due.

Thanks for the stuff. I have some questions if you have a moment. If you're
busy and can't answer don't sweat it. I'm sure I can find someone else to
help.


The quoted bits that follow are the code you sent.

>on =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB msgList
>
>--Respond to notification event here
>
>end =ABevent CSOmeNot=BB

I'm sorry, I don't understand what this bit is. Can you easily explain to
me what it's for and where it came from?

And pardon my complete cluelessness, but what exactly should the
"notification event" consist of?

>-- Below requires the location of the Notify applet, assumed "Hard Disk:Noti=
>fy"

What is the "Notify" applet. I was expecting to be able to put the whole
thing into a single script -- am I to assume that this will require to
scripts. One that receives messages from Eudora and the passes the message
on to a second script?

>on run
>   tell application "Eudora"
>      Please Notify alias "Hard Disk:Notify" with Notify
>   end tell
>end run
>
>
>on quit
>   tell application "Eudora"
>      Please Notify alias "Hard Disk:Notify" without Notify
>   end tell
>   continue quit
>end quit

I assume that these parts tell Eudora first to send a message upon
completion of the mail run, and then not to do it anymore once the script
is finished.

If these questions will require a massive amount of explaining just tell me
and I'll dive back into the books and try to work it out myself. If you
have the time to help I'd be most appreciative.

And one last question -- do you use a third party script editor, or the one
that comes with AS from Apple? If so, is it any good?

Cheers
SteakFace



=================================================================
SteakFace     graphic designer - media manipulator - bad mood guy
datapanik                                    [e-mail]
Vancouver, Canada
=================================================================
My cat would like to know why it is that we humans are so willing
to lick each other's genitals, but we won't lick our own.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 02:10:09 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Authorware print docs scripts

Thanks Fred Terry.

The QK2 solution is a _reasonable_ one indeed. One that's a little better is
the PrintDocs XCMD. Yes, _A_ware is scriptable in a limited sense, not even
close to Lingo, but it's what I have to work with. I'm sure a
seamless/background solution is just around the corner.

OK, so I guess the gaea Internet address: gaea.kgs.ukans.edu is how I reach
it, how do I "browse" the frontier, applescript, and QuicKeys directories?
What is FTP? Somebody please pass the towel so I can dry behind my ears?

Totally unrelated, but - how do I reset the printer port with a Stylewriter
and X-10 home controller hanging off an A/B switch on a 660AV after sending
_weird_ <---(I b4 e except after c and sometimes w) events (XCMD's, UCMD's
and Easy Alarms events) to it in the process of programming all the stuff in
my house to scare the crap out of burglars when we're all out and wake us up
in the morning and turn on the coffee 5 minutes b4 we get out of bed and turn
my son's Sega off so he'll get to bed and not pester his sisters the next
day, without having to restart the AV? I get a msg saying that the serial
port is in use by another application and would I please quit that
application and then I can have my printer back, and yes I switched the A/B
switch back and I did the Chooser/Page Setup thing. GeoPorts can be a real
pain ;-^) I don't think all that stuff likes being ran off the printer port.
Anybody know of a software controllable multi-bus that can be hung off of the
GeoPort or even an A/B switch? I found an XOBJect that flushes the serial
port but I haven't quite figured out how to make it work.

One more thing on my list: Apple File Exchange doesn't know AE's worth beans
and it's an Apple product. I can barely get it automated with T2+ and QK2 (we
don't do bit matches) fails miserably. Maybe Frontier (wrote a neat little
text file merger today in less than 1/2 an hour that gloms/gathers all the
files in one folder into one big file in another folder) can do DOS/Mac
conversions straight off a DOS formatted disk and onto a Mac? How about it
JB? Apple says try PC Exchange and I think that's rich but I'll try it
anyway, especially if it works. New meter reader contract for the city. I
told them to get a Mac based system, but NOOO. Programmer serfs don't have
enough clout.

John, does Userland have a better scheduling system than the agents approach
yet or are they working on it? Easy Alarms has been doing a great job of
handling this for me - [type "W", "Control"] - by triggering QK2 shortcuts
that open Frontier desktop scripts that call more QuicKeys and T2+ macros. I
gave up on Control Tower a long time ago.
=========================================================================
Date:         Fri, 25 Mar 1994 23:48:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Authorware print docs scripts

At 02:10 3/26/94 -0500, William J. Jamison wrote:

>John, does Userland have a better scheduling system than the agents approach
>yet or are they working on it? Easy Alarms has been doing a great job of
>handling this for me - [type "W", "Control"] - by triggering QK2 shortcuts
>that open Frontier desktop scripts that call more QuicKeys and T2+ macros. I
>gave up on Control Tower a long time ago.

Some time ago, UserLand uploaded the Scheduler Suite.  As of Frontier 3.0,
this suite was incorporated into the Frontier product in slightly fixed
form, so if you have Frontier 3.0 or later you have the suite.

The suite is based on one agent, whose job, once per minute, is to look
through a table of "tasks" for a task whose scheduled time has arrived.
The task is (usually) periodic, and after it runs the scheduler sets it up
to run the next time it is due.  That process takes into account any delays
in running the task (such as Frontier not being running), so the process is
drift-free:  if you say 8AM every 24 hours, and there was a delay until
noon in running it today because Frontier wasn't running (or some other
reason), it will still run at 8AM tomorrow.

If you are still on Frontier 2.x, you can find the suite on the FTP server
at gaea...someone else will help you use that, I'm sure.

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:01:28 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Raoul Schaffner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Seeking Password-entry osax (w/ blind writing)

Hi y'all!

I'm looking for a Scripting Addition that allows me to bring up dialog
boxes similar to the ones coming from the "Display Dialog" osax shipped
with AppleScript 1.0.

The feature I'm missing is "blind typing" by displaying a bullet for
each typed char. This allows the Scripter to handle passwords in a
more secure way than without "bullets". (I know that this isn't secure
at all since the passwd is always available as simple text)

Any hints, pointers, handles? :-)


Thanks,
Raoul


________________________________________________________________________
|||||||||
|||||||   Raoul Schaffner                         E-Mail: [e-mail]
|||||     Swiss Federal Institute for Water
|||       Resources And Water Pollution Control   Phone:  [phone]
|         Computer Science Dept.                  Fax:    [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 08:12:43 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Authorware print docs scripts
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Sat, 26 Mar 94 02:10:09 EST"

>The QK2 solution is a _reasonable_ one indeed. One that's a little better is
>the PrintDocs XCMD. Yes, _A_ware is scriptable in a limited sense, not even
>close to Lingo, but it's what I have to work with. I'm sure a
>seamless/background solution is just around the corner.
>
>OK, so I guess the gaea Internet address: gaea.kgs.ukans.edu is how I reach
>it, how do I "browse" the frontier, applescript, and QuicKeys directories?
>What is FTP? Somebody please pass the towel so I can dry behind my ears?

Well, I was about to tell you to ftp a copy of Anarchie and look at the
AppleScript bookmark to browse gaea.....but I guess that won't work. FTP
is file transfer protocol and is the way files are moved around the
Internet--sorta like downloading from CompuServe and BBSs but cooler. You
might want to grab a copy of Adam Engst's Mac Internet Starter Kit book.
It'll hold your hand through most of this stuff.

>
[some stuff deleted for brevity]
>Anybody know of a software controllable multi-bus that can be hung off of the
>GeoPort or even an A/B switch? I found an XOBJect that flushes the serial
>port but I haven't quite figured out how to make it work.

A company called Silicon Valley Bus (honest) has a multi-serial port product
that is software controlable. Expensive, but it might work better than the
earlier version of the Axion switch that I have.
>
>One more thing on my list: Apple File Exchange doesn't know AE's worth beans
>and it's an Apple product. I can barely get it automated with T2+ and QK2 (we
>don't do bit matches) fails miserably. Maybe Frontier (wrote a neat little
>text file merger today in less than 1/2 an hour that gloms/gathers all the
>files in one folder into one big file in another folder) can do DOS/Mac
>conversions straight off a DOS formatted disk and onto a Mac? How about it
>JB? Apple says try PC Exchange and I think that's rich but I'll try it
>anyway, especially if it works. New meter reader contract for the city. I
>told them to get a Mac based system, but NOOO. Programmer serfs don't have
>enough clout.
>
>John, does Userland have a better scheduling system than the agents approach
>yet or are they working on it? Easy Alarms has been doing a great job of
>handling this for me - [type "W", "Control"] - by triggering QK2 shortcuts
>that open Frontier desktop scripts that call more QuicKeys and T2+ macros. I
>gave up on Control Tower a long time ago.

Mark Alldritt has a schedular cdev that's ideal for this stuff. It's in
late beta, but you might want to give him a holler [[e-mail]].

Good luck.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 10:51:50 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Modeless Dialog Applescript

>Has anyone out there created an applet or script which can display a
>modeless dialog window ?   I need to finish up a current project which
>will allow the user to either ignore a posted message and click back to
>the desktop or other application, leaving the dialog box showing.  I
>cannot do this with a modal dialog box because it expects to be dismissed
>after displaying itself.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions.
>Allan

If you got the AppleScript 1.1 package, it includes FrontMost, which does
this quite well. Falling that, I think there is a way to call HyperCard
Xcmds from AS, and I know the Renaldi Xcmds contain floating windows as
well as non-modal dialogs. Good Luck!

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]                      GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                           Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 08:04:00 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: ScriptEditor not scriptable

>Date:    Fri, 25 Mar 1994 14:54:07 -0500
>From:    Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
>Subject: ScriptEditor not scriptable!
>
>I just tried to drop a copy of ScriptEditor onto ScriptEditor and was
>suprised to find that it isn't scriptable!  This seems really dumb to me.
>If it was, I could add some of the things that I want it to do, like
>find/replace, comment selected lines, etc.  Any word on whether the
>ScriptEditor itself will support AppleScript in the future?  Are there any
>3rd party script editing programs that support AppleEvents?

The Apple Script Editor is indeed not scriptable.  The C-language API
provided by AppleScript makes it very difficult to make a general purpose
scriptable script editor.  This is because scripts are compiled in the
context of the dictionary of the application compiling them.  I've not been
able to find a way to tell AppleScript to use its own doictionary or no
dictionary at all.

Once solution is to use a more powerfull editor like BBEdit, and Jon Pogh's
MPW command (through ToolServer) to build your scripts.  Not quite
scriptable, but better than Script Editor.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 13:17:25 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Frontier's Scheduler Suite

On 26 Mar 1994 at 02:50:49 -0500  John W. Baxter wrote:

xThe suite is based on one agent, whose job, once per minute, is to look
xthrough a table of "tasks" for a task whose scheduled time has arrived.
xThe task is (usually) periodic, and after it runs the scheduler sets it up
xto run the next time it is due.  That process takes into account any delays
xin running the task (such as Frontier not being running), so the process is
xdrift-free:  if you say 8AM every 24 hours, and there was a delay until
xnoon in running it today because Frontier wasn't running (or some other
xreason), it will still run at 8AM tomorrow.


Yes, I was aware of the Scheduler Suite, it's right ther hanging at the
bottom of my suites menu, but having Frontier running all the time isn't
neccesary when Easy Alarms is already running in the background and handles
the scheduling better. I could even do it with Smart Alarms (which I abhor).
I guess it's kind of silly and I don't expect much to come of it and I don't
want to make an issue of it or even complain however capricious that may
seem. It would just be nice, (((((Frontier))))). If Userland were to take on
this aspect of software development, it would put them into competition with
NUD (I don't have it. I have lots of other cool Now stuff. Does it send Apple
Events?) and that would probably be even sillier and more demeaning. If they
get _bored_ though, it would be nice. Maybe the world could use a better job
scheduler on the Mac? A _serious_ job scheduler, maybe by it's very tone and
bearing, not meant to remind you to take out the garbage, mow the dog, water
the cat, haul wood, chop water or wish that you actually had hair. John is
not all wet. He is inside, answering his E-mail at 2AM while the rest of us
are snuggled up asleep on the couch not expecting such immediate response.

//Jami//
(William J. Jamison)  Kelso, WA
Old hippies never die, you just wish they would take a bath sometimes.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 13:17:39 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FTP, buses and schedulers

At 08:12:43 Sat, 26 Mar 1994 -0600  Fred Terry wrote:

xWell, I was about to tell you to ftp a copy of Anarchie and look at the
xAppleScript bookmark to browse gaea.....but I guess that won't work. FTP
xis file transfer protocol and is the way files are moved around the
xInternet--sorta like downloading from CompuServe and BBSs but cooler. You
xmight want to grab a copy of Adam Engst's Mac Internet Starter Kit book.
xIt'll hold your hand through most of this stuff.

Still wet, but getting drier, need another towel. OK I can do that, lots of
local BBS's, even a Telefinder based one that promises to have FTP soon, tons
of Internet docs right under my nose on my computer, enough to write my own
book, looking forward to browsing the Internet and being a real pest ;-^)
Thanks.

xA company called Silicon Valley Bus (honest) has a multi-serial port product
xthat is software controlable. Expensive, but it might work better than the
xearlier version of the Axion switch that I have.

We have one at work, 8-pin, won't work on the GeoPort (9 pin), otherwise a
great product. Do they have a 9 pin version? Nevermind if you don't know,
I'll call Monday.

xMark Alldritt has a schedular cdev that's ideal for this stuff. It's in
xlate beta, but you might want to give him a holler [[e-mail]].

Hmmm (drooling) OK, I'll byte. Thank you very much. Maybe Mark and Dave Winer
should talk to each other.

//Jami//
(William J. Jamison)  Kelso, WA
Old hippies never die, just wish they'd take a bath sometimes.
=========================================================================
Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 15:56:38 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Atul Butte <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Seeking Password-entry osax (w/ blind writing

>From:         Raoul Schaffner <[e-mail]>
>
>The feature I'm missing is "blind typing" by displaying a bullet for
>each typed char. This allows the Scripter to handle passwords in a
>more secure way than without "bullets". (I know that this isn't secure
>at all since the passwd is always available as simple text)
>
>Any hints, pointers, handles? :-)

Check out  gaea.kgs.ukans.edu,
in /applescript/osaxen/Password_OSAXen.sit.hqx

-- Atul

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Atul Butte
Brown University School of Medicine
currently in Howard Hughes Medical Institute / National Institutes of Health
                             Research Scholars Program
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 23:35:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Syntax checking on dynamic references

>The syntax appears correct, but the variables are not substituted at check
>time and so the application can't be found, script won't compile and I'm
>sunk.  Any ideas on how to make the machine and zone come in from a field.
>I assume the same problem would occur with FrontMost but I can't afford to
>change the entire stack over even if it didn't.

When you compile an AS, the compiler needs to check with the application on
the correct usage of terminology. If the application isn't around (or if the
complete specification of the application can't be resolved at compile time -
as in variables) the script won't compile. There is no real elegant way
around this (no, it doesn't work in FrontMost either). About the best way to
do this is to substitute the actual event (or class) names (which are of the
general form <<event XXXXyyyy>>, <<class XXXX>>, etc.) and parameters for the
AS terminology. This, of course, is not an easy task, but here's one way:

1) Compile your script in AS using a resolvable specification. You get
something like:

tell application "Anarchie"
        list alias "HD1:thelist" host "host" path "path"
end tell

2) Save the compiled AS and close it.

3) Get rid of the target application; for instance, stuff it and throw away
the uncompressed version.

4) Open up the script. It will ask you to locate the target application. Just
pick some application. What you will get is:

tell application "some application"
        <<event ArchList>> alias "HD1:thelist" given <<class FTPh>>:"host", <<cl
ass
FTPc>>:"path"
end tell

5) Now, you can copy this script and paste it into HyperCard, with the
following changes:

tell application "Anarchie" of machine x of zone y
        <<event ArchList>> alias "HD1:thelist" given <<class FTPh>>:"host", <<cl
ass
FTPc>>:"path"
end tell

and it will compile. This _SHOULD_ work, but I can't test it right now, since
I'm at home with no network. Anyway, I don't deserve the credit if it does, I
got this tip from someone else (but haven't gotten around to trying it) but I
can't remember who. Of course, the easiest way to do this is just to figure
out what the event name and associated parameters are and write it yourself.
(The << and >> are actually the option-\ and option-shift-\ characters
respectively).

If you try it, let us all know if it works. If anyone else has a better idea,
I'd really like to hear it, as I will need to deal with this particular
situation myself someday!

Jay Martin
Alabama Industrial Development Training
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Date:         Sat, 26 Mar 1994 19:02:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
Organization: L'AISON - Beverly Hills, Michigan
Subject:      MacPPP Control 1.1

I've really enjoyed using MacPPP Control osax in recent weeks, and kudos to
its author.

Situation:  I have several PPP hosts that I have scripts for.  When I invoke
PPP through applescript, I don't seem to have any way to find out which one
I'm calling, or to demand which one I call at launch.

I opened the osax in the script editor, and It wouldn't appear that there is
support for returning the current script, or changing it.  (Although, I'd be
happy to be wrong!)  Is there any way, short of a QuickKey hack that opens
the ConfigPPP control panel, to do this?

I think adding such a thing would increase the usefulness of this osax many
times over.

Thanks for listening (reading?),
Jay

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Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 01:27:24 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Paki Papaioanu <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Anarchie question....

>The above script still fails here.  But, as expected, this one works:
>
>activate application "Anarchie"
>quit application "Anarchie"
>
>That's because AppleScript uses its own knowledge of the quit command to
>create the event in the latter case (we're outside any "tell" here).  I
>think.
>
>Anyhow, the above seems to point to the workaround.  Others???
>
>   --John

OK here it goes. The simple line:

quit application "Anarchie"

always works. (with AS 1.1 and Anarchie 1.1.3). Always.
Why? Because the Sript Editor sends a required core AE to the application.
In order for any application to be System 7 savvy, it needs to accept
'oapp' from 'kAEOpenApplication', 'odoc' from 'kAEOpenDocuments', 'pdoc'
from 'kAEPrintDocuments' and finally 'quit' from 'kAEQuitApplication'.
It leaves it up to the application implementation to take any safety
measures before it quits (ie save file contents, preferences, settings,
etc.)
Now applications can implement "quit" as a verb and have it affect more
distinctive objects than an application. I do not know if that is what
Peter Lewis was talking about.

Hope it helps

---
Paki Papaioanu
3-5161
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 06:29:00 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: MacPPP Control 1.1

>Date:    Sat, 26 Mar 1994 19:02:46 -0500
>From:    Jay Hebert <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MacPPP Control 1.1
>
>I've really enjoyed using MacPPP Control osax in recent weeks, and kudos to
>its author.
>
>Situation:  I have several PPP hosts that I have scripts for.  When I invoke
>PPP through applescript, I don't seem to have any way to find out which one
>I'm calling, or to demand which one I call at launch.
>
>I opened the osax in the script editor, and It wouldn't appear that there is
>support for returning the current script, or changing it.  (Although, I'd be
>happy to be wrong!)  Is there any way, short of a QuickKey hack that opens
>the ConfigPPP control panel, to do this?
>
>I think adding such a thing would increase the usefulness of this osax many
>times over.

Your right.  MacPPP Control only allows you to open and close PPP
connections.  When I released the MacPPP Control addition, I wondered how
long it would take for this type of request to appear.

I am planning a new release of MacPPP Control which allows you to choose a
PPP configuration when opening a connection.  However, like everyone I've
got other deadlines to meet so I can't provide a date when the software
will be available.

-Mark
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 10:54:22 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Bill Seitz <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scripted Ping?

Is MacTCP Ping scriptable?  Is there any other scriptable app that can
generate a "ping"?  We have dial-up service for the Internet, so I'd like to
be able to set up a script scheduled to run once a day to generate a ping so
our router would dial-up (thus downloading our mail).
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 14:39:13 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         William Murphy <[e-mail]>
Subject:      reading the contents of a text file

hi,

if this is a lame question i apologize in advance, but i'm new at this.

is it possible to read the text of a file into a script?  I want to be able
to do something like:

set foo to "the file reads: "
set bar to get contents of file "here:this.file"

return foo & bar & "thats all folks..."
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 15:30:01 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

>is it possible to read the text of a file into a script?  I want to be able
>to do something like:
>
>set foo to "the file reads: "
>set bar to get contents of file "here:this.file"
>
>return foo & bar & "thats all folks..."

Take a look at the "File IO" scripting addition.  It's in the Scripting
Additions folder in your Extensions folder in the System Folder.  Drag it
onto the Script Editor to open it's dictionary.

Steve

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Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 16:24:38 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Coty Rosenblath <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Example Eudora scripts

I would dearly love to script my Eudora, but I haven't made much headway.
Does anyone know of any example scripts that I could look at?

Thanks in advance,
Coty

Coty Rosenblath
Senior Consultant
Andersen Consulting
100 N. Tryon, Suite 3900
Charlotte, NC 28202-4000

e-mail: [e-mail] or [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:02:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Allan Marcus <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Example Eudora scripts

>I would dearly love to script my Eudora, but I haven't made much headway.
>Does anyone know of any example scripts that I could look at?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Coty
>
>Coty Rosenblath
>Senior Consultant
>Andersen Consulting
>100 N. Tryon, Suite 3900
>Charlotte, NC 28202-4000
>
>e-mail: [e-mail] or [e-mail]


I just went through this too.  Here's a script that should get you going.
Refer to the on line dictionary (via the script editor) for more commands.

-- drops a message in Eudor's out box
--Make sure you have Eudore 1.42 or greater
tell application "Eudora"
        activate
        set x to make message InsertHere (end of mailbox "Out" of mail
folder "")
        set field "To" of x to "[e-mail]"
        set field "Subject" of x to "Subject"
        set field "" of x to "Body-of-message"
        queue x QueueType 1
end tell


---------------------------------------
Allan Marcus
Los Alamos National Laboratory
"My opinions are my own, I think..."

Voice: 505-665-1828
CIS: 76666,2113
AppleLink: Allan.Marcus
e-world/NewtonMail: Allan.M
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Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:01:44 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Q on opening files...

When I have the following script attached to a button in Frontmost:

on hilited theObj
        tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
                open {file "MacintoshHD:Test"}
        end tell
end hilited

things proceed as I would expect.  When the button is pressed, the
scriptable text editor is activated and the specified file is opened.  The
problem occurs when the file to be opened is being created or modified on
the fly.  In my case, I'm reading the file from a server someplace else in
the network.  Basically, the handler looks like:

on hilited theObj
        getFile("/foo.c", {alias "MacintoshHD:"})
        tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
                open {file "MacintoshHD:Test"}
        end tell
end hilited

In this case, getFile is a routine that grabs the file foo.c from the
remote server and puts it into a file called "Test" in the specified
folder.  When this script is executed, I get the following error from the
finder:

An error occurred because the original item could not be found.

even though the scriptable text editor has been able to successfully open
the file.  I have some theories on what the problem might be, but was
hoping someone might be able to explain what was going on here.  Thanks,

                                -Steve.


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Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 14:34:37 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Ray <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

>>Is it possible to read the text of a file into a script?  I want to be able
>>to do something like:
>>
>>set foo to "the file reads: "
>>set bar to get contents of file "here:this.file"
>>
>>return foo & bar & "thats all folks..."
>
>Take a look at the "File IO" scripting addition.  It's in the Scripting
>Additions folder in your Extensions folder in the System Folder.  Drag it
>onto the Script Editor to open it's dictionary.

I've used this "File IO" scripting addition and it has some pros and cons.
The disadvantage of it is that it reads one paragraph at a time. To get
it to read a whole file (with an unknown length of paragraphs) you have
to do something like:

set refNum to open file alias "Disk:folder:file" for reading
try  -- an error will be generated when you get to the EOF
  repeat forever
  set newLine to read file refNum
  set theText to theText & return & newLine
  end repeat
on error
end try
close file refNum
set foo to "the file reads: "
return foo & theText & "thats all folks..."

The nice thing about File IO osax is that it can operate on files longer
than 32k. However the text buffer that is storing the contents of theText
can't go above 32k, possibly much less.

Another way to do this is to open the file with Scriptable Text Editor,
copy the contents of the file to a string variable:

Tell app "Scriptable Text Editor"
  open a reference to file "Disk:folder:file"
  set theText to text of window 1
  quit saving no
end tell
set foo to "the file reads: "
return foo & theText & "thats all folks..."

This would be A LOT faster than using the File IO osax. However it is limited
to 32k, and is uglier -- you will see a window open and close on your
desktop.

-Dave
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Mon, 28 Mar 1994 17:48:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Example Eudora scripts

>I would dearly love to script my Eudora, but I haven't made much headway.
>Does anyone know of any example scripts that I could look at?

First, make sure you have the latest version of Eudora, version 1.4.2,
which has better AppleScript support.

One of the key things you need to know is how to reference messages.  The
most important things to know is that the topmost mail folder is "".  So,
you'd reference a message in your In box in this fashion:

  message 1 of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""

Also, if you have created your own mail folders (as opposed to mailboxes),
then they are in the top most mail folder.  For example, if you have a mail
folder "Lists" and a mailbox in it called "AppleScript", you'd reference
the 3rd message in it by saying:

  message 3 of mailbox "AppleScript" of mail folder "Lists" of mail folder ""

I'm not sure why, but if you use the following by itself as a reference:

  message 1

this will reference the topmost window (even if it ISN'T a message!)  In
fact, the number you use in this case is irrelavent, you could use: message
12343 and it would still be the top most window.

You reference fields in a message by name, for instance:

  field "To" of message 1 of mailbox "Out" of mail folder ""

The field called "" (null string) is the body of the message.  You can only
set and get the values of fields (including the body) -- you can't
reference words in fields, so first copy the field to a variable, and then
play with the words, characters, etc.  The only catch I've run into is that
if you get a field that has a null value, Eudora will return an error.  You
can use a "try" to catch the error, but I presume this is a bug?

To make a new message use:

  make ObjectClass message InsertHere end of mailbox "Out" of mail folder ""

Or just:

  make message InsertHere end of mailbox "Out" of mail folder ""

You can actually use the more normal word "at" rather then "InsertHere",
but when you run the script it will change to "InsertHere".  Wierd.

Hope this helps.

Steve

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=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 02:05:43 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

"Take a look at the ""File IO"" scripting addition.  It's in the Scripting
"Additions folder in your Extensions folder in the System Folder.  Drag it
"onto the Script Editor to open it's dictionary.

I have AS (came with 660 AV and System 7 Pro), but ""File IO"" didn't come
with either one of them. Is this indicative of a shortcoming in the examples
dept or the capabilities of my system? Have I been short shrifted? Do you
have more toys than me Steve?

Jami1
(Bill Jamison)  Kelso,  WA
Old hippies never die.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 02:05:55 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Q on opening files...

"The problem occurs when the file to be opened is being created or modified
on
"the fly.  In my case, I'm reading the file from a server someplace else in
"the network.  Basically, the handler looks like:

"on hilited theObj
"        getFile("/foo.c", {alias "MacintoshHD:"})
"        tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
"                open {file "MacintoshHD:Test"}
"        end tell
"end hilited

"In this case, getFile is a routine that grabs the file foo.c from the
"remote server and puts it into a file called "Test" in the specified
"folder.  When this script is executed, I get the following error from the
"finder:

"An error occurred because the original item could not be found.

Sounds like Frontmost has created a _temporary_ file and indeed it is telling
you the truth, it's scratch, in limbo, kind of like here and not here at the
same time. The phantom file syndrome. Virtual file glitch problem? A bug?
Perhaps you need to set file type or creator?

Jami1
(Bill Jamison)  Kelso,  WA
Old hippies never die.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 02:06:05 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

"Another way to do this is to open the file with Scriptable Text Editor,
"copy the contents of the file to a string variable:

"Tell app "Scriptable Text Editor"
"  open a reference to file "Disk:folder:file"
"  set theText to text of window 1
"  quit saving no
"end tell
"set foo to "the file reads: "
"return foo & theText & "thats all folks..."

"This would be A LOT faster than using the File IO osax. However it is
limited
"to 32k, and is uglier -- you will see a window open and close on your
"desktop.

"-Dave
"[e-mail]

I vote for faster and ugliubbly.

Jami1
(Bill Jamison)  Kelso,  Wa
Old ugly hippies don't run very fast.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:42:33 +0100
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Johan Solve <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Example Eudora scripts

> >I would dearly love to script my Eudora, but I haven't made much headway.
> >Does anyone know of any example scripts that I could look at?

I gaught Jon Pugh's script to sort incoming mail, and imporved it so it
doesn't process mail in reverse order (but still SOOOO slow...)

But when the mail is sorted, I have the hardest time to find the unread
mail in the different mailboxes (gee, I think I have overused the idea of
different mail boxes - hard to get an overview...)
The best would of course be if Eudora had a marker in the Mailbox menu to
indicate where there are unread mail (how 'bout that, Steve Dorner?). The
next best would be if the command-right arrow would jump to the next unread
message, no matter in which mailbox it is. Currently, it only jumps to the
next unread message in the current mailbox.

The third best thing would be to have a script find the next unread
message. Does anyone have a script for this? I haven't come far enough in
AppleScripting to feel confident in making a script like this.


My modified mail sorting script follows (credits to Jon Pugh for the
original script version). As usual, wrapped lines end with --.


tell application "Eudora1.4.2"
    --activate  -- disabled, faster if script is in foreground
    set n to number of message of mailbox "In" of mail folder ""
    set i to 1 -- use separate counter since the pointer should only
               -- increase if we don't move a message
    repeat with j from 1 to n
        try
            set itsTo to field "To" of message i of mailbox "In" of --
            mail folder ""
        on error
            set itsTo to ""
        end try
        try
            set itsCC to field "cc" of message i of mailbox "In" of --
            mail folder ""
        on error
            set itsCC to ""
        end try
        try
            set itssender to field "sender" of message i of mailbox --
            "In" of mail folder ""
        on error
            set itssender to ""
        end try
        set itsTo to itsTo & return & itsCC & return & itssender
        if itsTo contains "applescript%" or itsTo contains --
        "MACSCRPT%" then
            move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
            inserthere end of mailbox "AppleScript" of mail folder ""
        else if itsTo contains "YACHT-L%" then
            move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
            inserthere end of mailbox "yacht and sail" of mail folder ""
        else if itsTo contains "FMPRO-L%" then
            move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
            inserthere end of mailbox "FileMaker Pro" of mail folder ""
        else if itsTo contains "info-mac digest" then
            move message i of mailbox "In" of mail folder "" --
            inserthere end of mailbox "info-mac digest" of mail folder ""
        else
            set i to i + 1 -- no message moved, increase pointer
            if i > number of message of mailbox "In" of mail folder --
            "" then exit repeat -- moved all messages already
        end if
    end repeat
    activate -- put Eudora to front to show we're done
end tell

_______________________________________________________________________
          "
   JOHAN SOLVE                   Department of Science and Technology
   <[e-mail]>       Halmstad University, Sweden
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:22:37 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Q on opening files...

>Sounds like Frontmost has created a _temporary_ file and indeed it is telling
>you the truth, it's scratch, in limbo, kind of like here and not here at the
>same time. The phantom file syndrome. Virtual file glitch problem? A bug?
>Perhaps you need to set file type or creator?
>
>Jami1
>(Bill Jamison)  Kelso,  WA
>Old hippies never die.

Thanks for the reply.  I haven't heard much from anyone else yet, so I'm
still pretty much at a loss.  I may be able to find a workaround, but if
AppleScript is going to take off big time, there will have to be fewer
hacks....  Thanks again,

                                -Steve.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:26:06 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Steven L. Rohall" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Q on opening files...

Sorry about my last posting to the mailing list.  I intended it to go to
Bill Jamison directly, but blindly used "reply" in my mailer.

My comment on "hacks" still stands, though.  :-)

                                -Steve.

+--------------------------------------------------------------+
| Steven L. Rohall                                             |
|                            ________ _        ______  ______  |
| 55 Walkers Brook Drive        /    / \      /     / /     /  |
| Reading, MA 01867-3297       /    /___\    /______ /         |
| Tel: [phone]          /    /     \         //          |
| Fax: [phone]         /    /       \/______//______/    |
| [e-mail]                                            |
| (MIME-conformant mail welcome.)                              |
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 08:40:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Q on opening files...

>on hilited theObj
>        getFile("/foo.c", {alias "MacintoshHD:"})
>        tell application "Scriptable Text Editor"
>                open {file "MacintoshHD:Test"}
>        end tell
>end hilited
>
>In this case, getFile is a routine that grabs the file foo.c from the
>remote server and puts it into a file called "Test" in the specified
>folder.  When this script is executed, I get the following error from the
>finder:

>An error occurred because the original item could not be found.

I would like to see the getFile routine. I suspect that that's where your
problem is. What exactly does it do, and how? It sounds as if you're deleting
a temp file, or maybe getting to the "open" in the tell statement *before*
the getFile routine is finished. Just a guess.

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- | (But what do they know?)         |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:04:34 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matt Pauker <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

>I have AS (came with 660 AV and System 7 Pro), but ""File >IO"" didn't come
>with either one of them. Is this indicative of a shortcoming in >the
examples
>dept or the capabilities of my system? Have I been short >shrifted? Do you
>have more toys than me Steve?

System 7 Pro contained AppleScript 1.0, which didn't have all the tools of
AppleScript 1.1 (The Scriptable Finder).  I don't have AppleScript 1.1
(Yet...It's coming Wednesday), but I bet that the "File IO" osax is probably
in there.

Matt P.
[e-mail]
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 09:32:51 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:04:34 EST"

Your message dated: Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:04:34 EST
>>I have AS (came with 660 AV and System 7 Pro), but ""File >IO"" didn't come
>>with either one of them. Is this indicative of a shortcoming in >the
>examples
>>dept or the capabilities of my system? Have I been short >shrifted? Do you
>>have more toys than me Steve?
>
>System 7 Pro contained AppleScript 1.0, which didn't have all the tools of
>AppleScript 1.1 (The Scriptable Finder).  I don't have AppleScript 1.1
>(Yet...It's coming Wednesday), but I bet that the "File IO" osax is probably
>in there.

Nope. The File IO osax is part of the Script Tools collection written by Mark
Alldritt. You can find it--and a lot of other cool stuff--on
gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Check out the applescript directory.

Happy scripting.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:38:54 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

>I have AS (came with 660 AV and System 7 Pro), but ""File IO"" didn't come
>with either one of them. Is this indicative of a shortcoming in the examples
>dept or the capabilities of my system? Have I been short shrifted? Do you
>have more toys than me Steve?

Hmm....  I'm not sure - I've got the File IO addition.  I have AS 1.1, do
you have version 1.0?

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:13:26 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Matt Pauker" at Mar 29, 94 10:04:34 am

--Matt Pauker wrote:
>
>System 7 Pro contained AppleScript 1.0, which didn't have all the tools of
>AppleScript 1.1 (The Scriptable Finder).

    AppleScript 1.1 and the Scriptable Finder really have nothing to do
with each other, except for the fact that you would use AppleScript to
access the Scriptable Finder. The SF isn't a released product, however,
you can get the Golden Master (read as final un-released version) of the
Finder Scripting Extension, which works with Finder 7.1.2 and up, if you
purchase the AppleScript SDK from APDA ($199). This extension patches
the Finder's AETE resource with a full compliment of Apple Event calls.
This summer when System 7.5 is released, I expect the Finder Scripting
Extension to disappear in favor of a fully scriptable, recordable, and
hopfully, attachable Finder.

>I don't have AppleScript 1.1 (Yet...It's coming Wednesday), but I bet
>that the "File IO" osax is probably in there.

    As has alread been stated, the File IO osax is part of the Script
Tools osaxen suit that you can find, along with a whole bunch of other
really cool scripting stuff at: ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:04:47 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Graham Heyes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Recording events and other issues...

I have "The Tao of AppleScript" and most of the additions from gaea and have
been happily writing scripts for a month or so. (life with a Mac is becoming
much nicer!) "The Tao" mentions that one of the best ways to learn more about
the syntax of the language is to press the record button on the Script Editor
and record a script or two. My problem is that absolutely nothing happens when
I hit the button appart from a flashing Icon in the top left of the screen. I
can open and close applications, move windows, open files from apps etc etc and
nothing appears in the script window of the script editor. I've looked through
"The Tao" and info on using the Record feature is in short supply. I am running
7.1 on a Daystar accelerated Mac II with 20Mb of physical memory Ram Doubled to
40Mb, lots of extensions. The main point is that every other feature of
AppleScript as described in "The Tao" works perfectly. My only guess is that
the apps I am working with are not recordable, Excel, Word, WordPerfect 3,
FileMakerPRO, event the scriptable text editor all give nothing...


... On a second track, what is the best way to move data from a doc opened by
one app to a doc opened by the other? I wrote a script to copy an address from
a FM PRO address book into a variable then tried to insert it at the top of a
letter opened with WordPerfect 3.0. I thought the easiest way would be to get
the data onto the clipboard then send paste to WP 3.0 but paste wasn't in it's
dictionary.Iin the end I used the AutoType scripting addition to send a
command-v. It works but it doesn't look nice. This must be a thing which get's
done all the time but I'm sort on examples and "The Tao of applescript" is
vague on the subject.


                Graham

-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-
Graham Heyes,CEBAF,12000 Jefferson Ave,Newport News,VA 23606,Tel:[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:36:34 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Recording events

Most applications are not recordable yet. This is because the application
must be "factored" so that the user interface generates apple events to
itself to perform the various application functions (I don't know if this is
exactly correct, but it's close). This can be a daunting task for existing
applications. However, the scriptable text editor is recordable. I don't know
why it isn't recording your events. Anyone else have any ideas?

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:38:20 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recording events and other issues...
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:04:47 EST"

Graham,

>I have "The Tao of AppleScript" and most of the additions from gaea and have
>been happily writing scripts for a month or so. (life with a Mac is becoming
>much nicer!) "The Tao" mentions that one of the best ways to learn more about
>the syntax of the language is to press the record button on the Script Editor
>and record a script or two. My problem is that absolutely nothing happens when
>I hit the button appart from a flashing Icon in the top left of the screen. I
>can open and close applications, move windows, open files from apps etc etc
>and nothing appears in the script window of the script editor. I've looked
>looked through "The Tao" and info on using the Record feature is in short
>I am running a Daystar accelerated Mac II with 20Mb of physical memory Ram
>Doubled to 40Mb, lots of extensions. The main point is that every other
>feature of AppleScript as described in "The Tao" works perfectly. My only
>guess is that the apps I am working with are not recordable, Excel, Word,
>WordPerfect 3, >FileMakerPRO, event the scriptable text editor all give
 nothing...

Right you are. I think you can record StuffIt Lite. You can also record the
Scriptable Text Editor. And the Scriptable Finder (if you have the developer's
kit or a beta copy of the System 7.5 software.


Since I'm sitting at a non-Mac workstation and my memory is weak, I'll let
someone else tackle the FMPro stuff--though my guess is that you need to
format the clipboard contents.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:40:09 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Recording events
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 11:36:34 EST"

>Most applications are not recordable yet. This is because the application
>must be "factored" so that the user interface generates apple events to
>itself to perform the various application functions (I don't know if this is
>exactly correct, but it's close). This can be a daunting task for existing
>applications. However, the scriptable text editor is recordable. I don't know
>why it isn't recording your events. Anyone else have any ideas?
>

You know, I have a script from Ed Lai that checks the contents of your hard
drive and builds a list of scriptable applications (there is a Frontier
version of this script somewhere. John?) When I get home tonight, I'll upload
it to gaea.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 11:50:08 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jay Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re> Re: Re> Recording events

>You know, I have a script from Ed Lai that checks the contents of your hard
>drive and builds a list of scriptable applications (there is a Frontier
>version of this script somewhere. John?) When I get home tonight, I'll
upload
>it to gaea.

I believe I saw that somewhere. But remember (just for everyone's benefit),
applications can be scriptable but not recordable!

Jay
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
| --------------+ Jay M. Martin         | All ideas here are my own and    |
|   +---------- | Alabama Industrial    | in no way reflect my employer's. |
|   | ----------+ Development Training  |                  [e-mail] |
|   +---------------------------------- |                                  |
+---------------------------------------+----------------------------------+
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:10:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Graham Heyes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recording events and other issues... Thanks for the replies
              to my posting. I guess it is still early days for

AppleScript so most thinks aren't yet scriptable. I will try some more with
recording the "Scriptable Text Editor" it may be that the things I tried on it
were not recordable but others will be. I did have to re-format the text from
FM PRO by socking it into an applescript variable then spitting it out via
AutoType. All this use of AutoType is not nice, maybe some day soon more things
will be directly scriptable and I can get rid of the hacks. One frustrating
thing is that some things like WordPerfect 3.0 seem to support scripting for
bizzare actions but not for simple thinks like cut, copy and paste which I
would have thought would be the most obvious for a word processor.

                Graham

-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-
Graham Heyes,CEBAF,12000 Jefferson Ave,Newport News,VA 23606,Tel:[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 10:13:17 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Crawford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: a request for contributions
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Fred Terry"
              at Mar 24, 94 08:42:54 pm

Fred,

A little bird told me that the next revision of Hypercard will support
Word Services.

I haven't seen it with my own eyes yet, but the folks at Apple tell me that
it is working in Hypercard.

It might be worth mentioning in your book.  I am concerned, though, that
if word leaks out too fast, the Apple execs will be annoyed and maybe take
it back out.  It wasn't really a management decision that got Word Services
in - I just sent the WS SDK to one of the hypercard engineers, and he
just stuck it in.  He did get approval from the product manager for this,
but I think that's as high up as it went.

Mike Crawford
working software
[e-mail]

(PS - I think you still have my swiss address in your mailing list.)
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:19:04 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Penelope Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Updating Filemaker Database

Updating Filemaker Databases
I have two copies of a database.  One copy is hosted by an Apple WorkGroup
Server 95, and the other resides on a Duodock 230.  I need to have the duodock
login as a guest of the server, get any new records and/or update any existing
records.  This needs to be accomplished unattended, at night and across a
network.  I just received my copy of applescript, so I'm just beginning.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

********************************************************************************
Penelope Jones                             Internet:  [e-mail]
Florida State University                   AT&Tnet:   (904) 644-PENY
Telecommunications, B-72                   FAXnet:    [phone]
Tallahassee, FL 32306-2035

********************************************************************************
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 13:24:29 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Updating Filemaker Database
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 13:19:04 +0800"

Penelope,

>Updating Filemaker Databases
>I have two copies of a database.  One copy is hosted by an Apple WorkGroup
>Server 95, and the other resides on a Duodock 230.  I need to have the duodock
>login as a guest of the server, get any new records and/or update any existing
>records.  This needs to be accomplished unattended, at night and across a
>network.  I just received my copy of applescript, so I'm just beginning.  Any
>help would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check out the file
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/FileMaker_&_AppleScript.sea.hqx.
It contains at least one script that shows you how to move records from one
database to the other. I think there is also a script for removing duplicates.

Enjoy.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:46:51 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Allan Marcus <[e-mail]>
Subject:      What's Word Services?

What are Word Srevices?

Thanks,


---------------------------------------
Allan Marcus
Los Alamos National Laboratory
"My opinions are my own, I think..."

Voice: 505-665-1828
CIS: 76666,2113
AppleLink: Allan.Marcus
e-world/NewtonMail: Allan.M
InterNet: [e-mail]    <- note new address (deja vu!)
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:29:04 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Recording events

>You know, I have a script from Ed Lai that checks the contents of your hard
>drive and builds a list of scriptable applications (there is a Frontier
>version of this script somewhere. John?) When I get home tonight, I'll upload
>it to gaea.

Fred...the Frontier version is (on CompuServe, at GO USERLAND):

Library #08  Name:  From UserLand
Uploaded by:  76244,120 [Dave Winer [UserLand SW]]  Date:  5/20/93

Name:  AETE.SIT
Size:  2304 bytes  Downloads:  111  Type:  binary
Keywords:  FIND AETE RESOURCES ALIASES SCRIPTING APPLESCRIPT FRONTIER

     This script travels thru the folder it was launched from searching for
applications that have 'aete' resources. It creates a folder that contains
aliases to all these apps. The presence of an aete resource indicates that
the application can be scripted, either with Frontier or AppleScript.
Requires Frontier or Frontier Runtime 2.0. Packed with StuffIt 3.0. DW


I don't have it handy here...say the word and I'll download it.  Note that
a few applications can be scripted with Frontier but do not contain 'aete'
resources (MacWrite Pro 1.0 is the most interesting example, since it was
released nearly the same week as Apple's "stealth" release of AppleScript
last Spring.  The current MacWrite Pro (1.5) has an 'aete' and more
scripting support).

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 12:28:59 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Recording events and other issues...

At 12:04 3/29/94 -0500, Graham Heyes wrote:
>... On a second track, what is the best way to move data from a doc opened by
>one app to a doc opened by the other? I wrote a script to copy an address from
>a FM PRO address book into a variable then tried to insert it at the top of a
>letter opened with WordPerfect 3.0. I thought the easiest way would be to get
>the data onto the clipboard then send paste to WP 3.0 but paste wasn't in it's
>dictionary.Iin the end I used the AutoType scripting addition to send a
>command-v. It works but it doesn't look nice. This must be a thing which get's
>done all the time but I'm sort on examples and "The Tao of applescript" is
>vague on the subject.

Best way?  I dunno.  A working way to move data (in this case to the very
beginning of WordPerfect's frontmost document):

tell application "FileMaker Pro"
    set temp to Cell "x" of Record 2
end tell

tell application "WordPerfect"
    copy first character of document 1 to kludge
    copy temp & return & kludge to before first character of document 1
end tell

The copy to kludge and inclusion of kludge in what is copied into the
document is a response to what appears to be a bug in WordPerfect
(3.0...one of many related to scripting support):  The copy "to before
first character" acts to replace the first character.

-------
Regarding the clipboard:  The application you copy from must be the
frontmost application when you do a copy, and the application you paste
into must be the frontmost application when you do the paste.  Use activate
as necessary to achieve that.  That's how the system scrap (aka Clipboard)
works on the Mac, unfortunately...blame the premature and unofficial
release of "Switcher" years ago.

   --John

PS...result of the above script:

  'Twas brillig and the slithy toves
  Did gyre and gymbol in the wabe
  All mimsy were the borogoves
  And the momrath outgabe.
  This is a test.  It is what was here before I put in what comes before.


--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 14:37:29 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Recording events
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 12:29:04 PST"

>>You know, I have a script from Ed Lai that checks the contents of your hard
>>drive and builds a list of scriptable applications (there is a Frontier
>>version of this script somewhere. John?) When I get home tonight, I'll upload
>>it to gaea.
>
>Fred...the Frontier version is (on CompuServe, at GO USERLAND):
>
>Library #08  Name:  From UserLand
>Uploaded by:  76244,120 [Dave Winer [UserLand SW]]  Date:  5/20/93
>
>Name:  AETE.SIT
>Size:  2304 bytes  Downloads:  111  Type:  binary
>Keywords:  FIND AETE RESOURCES ALIASES SCRIPTING APPLESCRIPT FRONTIER
>
>     This script travels thru the folder it was launched from searching for
>applications that have 'aete' resources. It creates a folder that contains
>aliases to all these apps. The presence of an aete resource indicates that
>the application can be scripted, either with Frontier or AppleScript.
>Requires Frontier or Frontier Runtime 2.0. Packed with StuffIt 3.0. DW
>

Ah, thanks John. You can find it at
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/frontier/findAETEs.sit.hqx. I was pretty sure I'd
already downloaded it, but couldn't remember the name.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 16:37:10 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Andy J. Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      MS: ADMIN

Just time for another re-post of the official MacScripting "Three Address You
Need To Know(TM)"

Read it and weep.

-A

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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 17:03:35 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Example Excel AppleScripts?

Does anyone have any examples of AppleScripting Excel that I could look at?
I looked on gaea, but there were no Excel AppleScripts there.  Also, are
there any guides available for AppleScripting Excel?  The document
mentioned in the Excel manual seems to be oriented toward AppleEvents, as
opposed to AppleScript (i.e. low level).

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 17:23:19 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Stephen Jonke <[e-mail]>
Subject:      How do you read an apps dictionary?

I could use some basic help on how you read/interprete an applications
dictionary.  For example, how do I figure out the use of the "Range" class
in Excel by looking at it's definition?  Here it is:

  Class Range: A range of spreadsheet cells
  Elements:
          Cell by numeric index, by name
          Column by numeric index, by name
          Row by numeric index
  Properties:
  [various properties here - deleted for brevity]

How do I determine by looking at the above how to reference a range?  How
do I know what I can do with it?  For instance, can I set the values of the
cells in a range?

How about something as "simple" as selection-object:

  Class selection-object: the selection visible to the user
  Properties:
          contents  type class  [r/o]  -- the contents of the selection

How do I reference the current selection?  How do I determine this from the
dictionary?

Also, the list of properties seems straight forward, but I'm not sure I
understand the list of elements.  Is it a list of things that CAN be part
of the object, or is a list of things that are a part of the object and the
exact number of them?  I would think that a "range" would consist of two
cell references, yet it's only listed once in the elements.  Basically, I'm
confused!  :)

Steve

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Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:24:31 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Beef jerky? <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Updating Filemaker Database
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Fred Terry wrote:

> >Updating Filemaker Databases
> >I have two copies of a database.  One copy is hosted by an Apple WorkGroup
> >Server 95, and the other resides on a Duodock 230.  I need to have the duodoc
k
> >login as a guest of the server, get any new records and/or update any existin
g
> >records.  This needs to be accomplished unattended, at night and across a
> >network.  I just received my copy of applescript, so I'm just beginning.  Any
> >help would be greatly appreciated.

Also, stop what you are working on an dfind out if you have FileMaker Pro
version 2.1v2. The v2 is important, as apparently it has a much more complete
dictionary (from what I have heard).

For example, in v1 there is an "open database" command, but no "open
database with password" command like in v2.

It may not make any difference in your particular application, but it
makes sense to get up to date....


John
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 18:53:52 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mike Crawford <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: What's Word Services?
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]> from "Allan Marcus"
              at Mar 29, 94 02:46:51 pm

>
> What are Word Srevices?
>

Here is the abstract of a talk I will give at MacHack '94 in Ann Arbor in
June.

Send me your postal address and I will mail you the word services SDK.

Mike

The Word Services Apple Event Suite
Michael D. Crawford
Product Development Manager
Working Software, Inc.

The Word Services Apple Event Suite allows any application to link to
a speller, grammar checker or other text service as if it was a
built-in menu item.  Working Software developed the protocol in
cooperation with our competitors in the spelling business, as well as
several grammar checker, database and word processor publishers, and
Apple Computer, Inc.  It is probably the simplest useful thing that a
developer can do with Apple Events.

Word Services is designed to be very easy for client programs to
implement - the client (or word processor) needs only to send a single
Apple Event to a server program (or spellchecker) and then resume its
event loop.  The server takes over control of the protocol, retrieving
and changing text in the client program's document by using a small
subset of Core Suite Apple Events.  The complete source code to
Writeswell Jr. will be distributed along with the protocol specification.
Writeswell Jr. is a simple word processor that supports Word Services,
and is provided as an example that developers may use to add support for
the protocol to their own applications.

Word Services applications have been shipping for over a year and a half.
Spellers are available in a number of languages, and client programs ranging
from a curriculum planner with a total of ten users to a major word
processor have adopted the protocol.  Mr. Crawford will reflect on the
long process of developing and promoting an industry standard protocol.
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:55:24 +0730
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tan Jin Ho <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Scripting

Hi,
  We would like to try out Eudora's scripting capability by writing an
AppleScript script to send messages. We opened Eudora 1.4.1's dictionary and
tried to use the create element verb but couldn't get it to work. Has
somebody done this before, and is willing to share the knowledge ?
Thanks.

Regards,
Jin-Ho
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 22:13:20 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         SteakFace <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?

I've listened to all this voluminous talk about the "Scriptable Finder" and
etc. Does it, or any other AS extension, have the ability to "hide" and
"show" windows (a la Application Menu)?

Cheers
SteakFace



=================================================================
SteakFace     graphic designer - media manipulator - bad mood guy
datapanik                                    [e-mail]
Vancouver, Canada
=================================================================
My cat would like to know why it is that we humans are so willing
to lick each other's genitals, but we won't lick our own.
=========================================================================
Date:         Tue, 29 Mar 1994 22:44:45 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Excel note

An ongoing discussion in a newsgroup (comp.sys.mac.programming???) is about
selecting between two ways to cause Excel to modify a spreadsheet, from
within an application.

Method 1:  Using the OSA tools, compile a suitable script, and execute it.

Method 2:  Using the AE Manager and the Object Support stuff, generated the
needed events to cause the change.

Method 1, including some research to jog my memory, took a half hour or so
(but see below).

Method 2 has taken the rest of the evening, and I can now launch Excel (if
needed) and open the document (but see below).  NOW I get to start on the
good stuff.  But at least I'm running PowerPC native code <grin>.

The above exercise began with this script as a working model:

tell application "Microsoft Excel"
    open alias "Dev:Development:ToyStore:ExcelHack"
    set value of Cell 1 of Column 1 to 27.9
end tell

That has the unfortunate effect if ExcelHack is already open and modified
in Excel of causing Excel to ask Notification Manager to bring it to the
front, and ask if I want to revert to the saved version of the file.
Interesting, in view of the lack of a Revert command in Excel's file menu.

And particularly interesting when executed from my toy application, since I
carefully sent the open event with the kAENeverInteract flag in the send
mode parameter.  Ah, well:  revised model script:

tell application "Microsoft Excel"
    if not (exists Document "ExcelHack") then
        open alias "Dev:Development:ToyStore:ExcelHack"
    end if
    set value of Cell 1 of Column 1 to 27.9
end tell

[Note in all cases, I'm deliberately leaving the spreadsheet open and
unsaved.  Laziness.]

I hope these musings help someone.  I'm hacking the code into a toy
application I'm playing with...this game is a separate source file, and if
it seems instructive when done I'll ask Fred to let me put it up on gaea as
sample code.


My conclusion is fairly clear:  in most cases it will be better (that is:
easier) to go the OSA script route rather than continue to write AE Manager
code.

--John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 04:00:15 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

"Nope. The File IO osax is part of the Script Tools collection written by
Mark
"Alldritt. You can find it--and a lot of other cool stuff--on
"gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Check out the applescript directory.

"Happy scripting.

"pf

Thanks Fred. Hated to think that _some_ of us would in some way be deprived.
Now if I can just keep from getting elbowed in line at the gaea FTP ?
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 04:00:33 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re> Recording events

">You know, I have a script from Ed Lai that checks the contents of your hard
">drive and builds a list of scriptable applications (there is a Frontier
">version of this script somewhere. John?) When I get home tonight, I'll
upload
">it to gaea.

"Fred...the Frontier version is (on CompuServe, at GO USERLAND):

"Library #08  Name:  From UserLand
"Uploaded by:  76244,120 [Dave Winer [UserLand SW]]  Date:  "5/20/93

"Name:  AETE.SIT
"Size:  2304 bytes  Downloads:  111  Type:  binary
"Keywords:  FIND AETE RESOURCES ALIASES SCRIPTING APPLESCRIPT FRONTIER

Fred and John,
Is this what you're looking for?

suites.samples.findAETEs:

"Creates a folder of aliases of apps that have an 'aete' resource
 "contact the developers for a Frontier install file!
 "or ask on one of UserLand's on-line services

local (folder = file.getSystemDisk () + "Scriptable Apps:");
file.sureFolder (folder); "make sure the folder exists

try { "ignore errors in the loop
 fileloop (f in "", infinity) { "look at all files on all disks
  if file.type (f) == 'APPL' {
   if rez.countResources (f, 'aete') > 0 {
    local (alias = folder + file.fileFromPath (f));
    if not file.exists (alias) { "we'll take the 1st one we found
     file.newAlias (f, alias)}}}}};

Finder.reveal (folder) "show the folder in the Finder

If it is, (groping in the dark) and I suspect it is, the only way I could get
it to work was to insert the name of a disk in the quotes in the "fileloop(f
in "", infinity)". Then when I did the main applications disk ("Thelma"), the
script died at Popcorn and there was nothing in "Scriptable Apps".I took the
The Games disk ("Louise") was a big disappointment, the script ran all the
way thru, but didn't come up with anything. The Pocket Drive ("J.D.") came up
with "TeleFinderx Pro 2.2" and "TeleFinderx/User 3.2.3", weird, big surprise
with Authorware not being scriptable. Then I copied Popcorn over to Louise
and deleted it off of Thelma and re-ran it on Thelma and got "StuffIt
Expanderx 3.0.1", "FileMaker Pro", "UserLand Frontierx", "PageMaker 4.2" and
"""drumroll""" "Popcornx" (a different one, Get Info revealed Version: 1.01;
circumspect investigation of the culprit Popcorn on Louise had no version.
Hmmm.  """flush""" )
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 07:13:18 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         John Schettino <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Eudora Scripting

>Hi,
>  We would like to try out Eudora's scripting capability by writing an
>AppleScript script to send messages. We opened Eudora 1.4.1's dictionary and
>tried to use the create element verb but couldn't get it to work. Has
>somebody done this before, and is willing to share the knowledge ?
>Thanks.
>
>Regards,
>Jin-Ho
>[e-mail]

Its weird! Here's some to get you started:

tell application "Eudora 2.0.2"
  -- new message
  set newMsg to CreateElement Message InsertHere end of Mailbox "Out" of
Mail Folder ""
  set field "To" of newMsg to "[e-mail]"
  set field "" of newMsg to "this is the mail body"
  -- mail it
  queue forMsg QueueType 1
end tell

- john

-----------------------------------------
[e-mail]                      GTE Laboratories
John Schettino                           Waltham, MA
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:34:48 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Tue, 29 Mar 94 22:13:20 PST"

In your message to Multiple recipients of list MACSCRPT (cc to me) you wrote:
> ...


Your message dated: Tue, 29 Mar 94 22:13:20 PST
>I've listened to all this voluminous talk about the "Scriptable Finder" and
>etc. Does it, or any other AS extension, have the ability to "hide" and
>"show" windows (a la Application Menu)?
>

Hmmm...that's a good question. Dunno. Why not use

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/App_Menu_OSAX.sit.hqx ?

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 09:44:20 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Ahrens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      New Stuff on Info-mac

there are some new files on Info-Mac that you might be interested in.
perhaps they should be put on gaea. i am the author or matt's scripts, so
i can send that to whatever address necessary to get it on gaea if you like.


Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 09:25:53 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Matthew Ahrens)
Subject: [*] Matt's Scripts (AppleScript)

These are some scripts for AppleScript that I wrote. They include:
Replace in text editor
Dial Number
Number Lines
Get Item Info

I hope you enjoy them!

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/src/matts-scripts-as.hqx; 59K]

--------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:09:11 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Greg Quinn)
Subject: [*] GTQ Scripting Library1.1 (AppleScript)

Please distribute this new version of my GTQ Scripting Library to the usual
places.  Thanks!

Greg
Greg Quinn
AppleLink:D3297
Internet:[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/src/gtq-scripting-lib-11-as.hqx; 263K]

--
My opinions are mine only and tentative, pending further data
                        Matthew Ahrens
[e-mail]           [e-mail]
[e-mail]     <-Last Resorts->     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:36:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Matthew Ahrens <[e-mail]>
Subject:      AppleScript Runtime 1.1

two questions.

does applescript Runtime 1.1 include frontmost and the script editor?

where can i get Runtime? i havn't seen it in any mail order places, so i guess
it is only available from APDA. how can i contact them? email/800 phone
preferred.

tia!

--
My opinions are mine only and tentative, pending further data
                        Matthew Ahrens
[e-mail]           [e-mail]
[e-mail]     <-Last Resorts->     [e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:03:21 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         David Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: AppleScript Runtime 1.1
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed,
              30 Mar 1994 10:36:22 EST."
              <[e-mail]>

>two questions.
>
>does applescript Runtime 1.1 include frontmost and the script editor?
>
>where can i get Runtime? i havn't seen it in any mail order places, so i guess
>it is only available from APDA. how can i contact them? email/800 phone
>preferred.
>
>tia!
>
>--
>My opinions are mine only and tentative, pending further data
>                        Matthew Ahrens
>[e-mail]           [e-mail]
>[e-mail]     <-Last Resorts->     [e-mail]

Hello...

  Actually the Frontmost is not included with the Runtime AppleScript packet
from APDA.  APDA number is 800-282-2732.

David Kim
-----------
David Kim, Macintosh Specialist           Internet: [e-mail]
Purdue University Computer, Science Dept. Bitnet:   dckim@purccvm
CS Building, Room 273                     Phone:    [phone]
West Lafayette, IN 47907, USA             Fax:      [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:04:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "SteakFace" at Mar 29, 94 10:13:20 pm

--SteakFace wrote:
>
>I've listened to all this voluminous talk about the "Scriptable Finder" and
>etc. Does it, or any other AS extension, have the ability to "hide" and
>"show" windows (a la Application Menu)?

    Absolutely. There isn't a direct "hide" command, but once you get a
handle on how the Scriptable Finder looks as apps, and files, and stuff
it's easy to locate. Here's an example:

    tell application "Finder"
        set visible of process "Script Editor" to false
    end tell

    This will hide the Script Editor, or any other application. Even if
that application isn't scriptable. This is because the function is
actually controlling the Process Manager, and not the application
itself. It tells the Process Manager to "hide" a given named process.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 08:54:27 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         carl juarez <[e-mail]>
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News + Mail
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file
In-Reply-To:  <[e-mail]>

"William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]> writes:

> "Nope. The File IO osax is part of the Script Tools collection written by
> Mark
> "Alldritt. You can find it--and a lot of other cool stuff--on
> "gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Check out the applescript directory.
>
> "Happy scripting.
>
> "pf
>
> Thanks Fred. Hated to think that _some_ of us would in some way be deprived.
> Now if I can just keep from getting elbowed in line at the gaea FTP ?

Is there any way I can get to gaea.kgs.etc via e-mail?  I don't have FTP
access but my mailer's robust.

Another Q: Is anyone interested in doing a digest form of this list?  30
messages/day is a little too much, especially when they're short
appendages to other short messages (like this one).

Thanks in a dvance,
Carl J.

--
[] SEANEWS [] Seattle Public Access Usenet News + Mail [] [phone] []
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 13:08:47 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "carl juarez" at Mar 30, 94 08:54:27 am

--Carl Juarez wrote:
>
>Another Q: Is anyone interested in doing a digest form of this list?  30
>messages/day is a little too much, especially when they're short
>appendages to other short messages (like this one).

    If you want to get this list sent to you in digest form, all you
need to do is send mail to [e-mail], the subject line is
ignored, and have the only line in the file read "set macscrpt digest".
You will then receive the list as digest. I think it's sent out,
automatically, one or two time per day.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:07:16 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new on gaea

You'll find the scripts and osax collection that Matt Ahrens referred to on
gaea now.

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/GTQScriptingLibrary1.1.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scripts/MattsScripts.hqx

Enjoy.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:10:14 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?

>I've listened to all this voluminous talk about the "Scriptable Finder" and
>etc. Does it, or any other AS extension, have the ability to "hide" and
>"show" windows (a la Application Menu)?

Finder is just an application...it has no more reason to be the controller
of other application's visibility than any other application does.

Fred has pointed you to a Scripting Addition which does the job.

Scriptable Finder, itself, can have its own layer hidden (the icons remain,
as usual), with

set application "Finder"'s visible to false

Other scriptable applications may or may not support a settable visible
property, but the Registry doesn't call for it (unless I've missed it).

Finder does not (per the dictionary, anyhow) support the Do Menu event from
the miscellaneous suite, which would have been one possibility.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 10:15:36 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?

>>I've listened to all this voluminous talk about the "Scriptable Finder" and
>>etc. Does it, or any other AS extension, have the ability to "hide" and
>>"show" windows (a la Application Menu)?
>
>    Absolutely. There isn't a direct "hide" command, but once you get a
>handle on how the Scriptable Finder looks as apps, and files, and stuff
>it's easy to locate. Here's an example:
>
>    tell application "Finder"
>        set visible of process "Script Editor" to false
>    end tell
>

Oops...I just "crossed" a wrong answer with Brian's right answer, above.  I
missed the process class just now while looking through Finder's
dictionary.  So...ignore the wrong part of my answer.
   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 12:54:49 U
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         mark stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- reading the contents

        Reply to:   RE>Re: reading the contents of
>  If you want to get this list sent to you in digest form, all you need
> to do is send mail to [e-mail], the subject line is
> ignored, and have the only line in the file read "set macscrpt digest".
> You will then receive the list as digest. I think it's sent out,
> automatically, one or two time per day.

Do I unsubscribe to the list in general and then subscribe to the digest? Or
does "set macscrpt digest" modify my existing subscription?

Ignorantly yours,
Mark Stewart
BIAD-Research Imaging Center
UTHSCSA
[e-mail]
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 14:17:46 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Brian V. Hughes" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Re- reading the contents
In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "mark stewart" at Mar 30, 94 12:54:49 pm

--You wrote:
>
>Do I unsubscribe to the list in general and then subscribe to the
>digest?

    No.

>Or does "set macscrpt digest" modify my existing subscription?

    Yes.

-Hades
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 11:04:41 LCL
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Tim Keanini <[e-mail]>
Subject:      debuggers and tools for AS

Hi everyone,

I have been working in Frontier now since the release and I have yet to find a
debugging environment for applescript that compares to the one in Frontier.
I know that there are companies that say that they will be out soon with their
solution to my problem.  Just in case I might have missed a release of two,
does anyone know of a system that will  give me a scripting development
environment for applescript that would compare to Frontier 3.x?

I use Frontier everyday and until something come out, there is no reason for me
to switch over yet. :-)

Tim Keanini  <[e-mail]>  <[e-mail]>
=========================================================================
Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 15:05:13 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Graham Heyes <[e-mail]>
Subject:      who to send dosc event to...

Ok this is probably a crazy question but I'm coming up with them this week.

I was using tickle by Tim Endres before I started to look at AppleScript, the
whole thing started through a need to learn TCL for a unix project I was
setting up at work. Playing on the Mac is always more fun. Anyway, tickle has a
faceless daemon called "the tickle engine" which can be started up from the
"Startup Items" folder. You can then send an apple event to the tickle engine
asking it to perform a script. My question is what is the equivalent mechanism
for AppleScript? Suppose I have an application like filemaker pro which can
send an apple event from it's own macro language I could then construct an
AppleScript script and post it to be executed. The question is who to post it
to and is such a thing possible?

                Graham

-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-<>-
Graham Heyes,CEBAF,12000 Jefferson Ave,Newport News,VA 23606,Tel:[phone]
=========================================================================
Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 08:43:23 +0930
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Paul J. Stoll" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      FileMakerPro dialog box problem

Hello all!

I am just starting out with Applescript and my first attempt is going a bit
sour.  I'm trying to access records from FileMakerPro v2.1 from Hypercard
2.2 (as it came bundled with ASv1.1) but I've fallen at the first hurdle.

I can get the data and perform finds within FileMaker quite easily, and I
can basically do everything I want to do (after one week with NO manuals
etc!) as long as I manually open the FMP dbase BEFORE I run my HC stack.
(BTW -  I did see someone was asking earlier how to do a Find via AS
without having to use "canned" scripts within FMP, so if still interested
just say so.)

My problem is that when I call up FMP from HC via AS I get a dialog box in
FMP (which remains INVISIBLE) but is asking for a FMP database to open.
This hangs up AS until I manually clear off the dialog box.  I tried to
open the application with a database file, but it still has to fire up FMP
first.  I can bypass the dialog box by opening FMP from HC with a simple
open command, but this is very UGLY as I then see the FMP log-on screen and
FMP retains 'focus' (sorry I'm a PC man really, this Mac stuff is pretty
new to me), and I have to manually get back to my HC stack.

Anybody know a way around this?  Can I use (and wher can I GET) something
like AutoType which I see many of you are using to hack incompletely
"scriptable" applications, or is there another way?

As an aside, HCv2.2 SAYS it can build stand-alone applications from system
7, and all the blurb's in the manual, and I even get SOME of the stuff they
say when I try to "Save a Copy", but I DON'T get the pop-up list of
File-Types as the manual states.  I'm using system 7.1 (which I would HOPE
would be backwardly compatible with system 7????)  Any takers? Or should I
post this question on the HC listserver?

Thanks for listening, and I hope I can supply help to others in the future
once I've got my tortured brain in some sort of AS shape.


Paul J. Stoll
Computer Assisted Learning Unit
Flinders University of South Australia
Flinders Medical Centre
Bedford Park.  5042.
South Australia.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 16:55:00 PST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Mark Alldritt <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file

>Your message dated: Tue, 29 Mar 94 10:04:34 EST
>>>I have AS (came with 660 AV and System 7 Pro), but ""File >IO"" didn't come
>>>with either one of them. Is this indicative of a shortcoming in >the
>>examples
>>>dept or the capabilities of my system? Have I been short >shrifted? Do you
>>>have more toys than me Steve?
>>
>>System 7 Pro contained AppleScript 1.0, which didn't have all the tools of
>>AppleScript 1.1 (The Scriptable Finder).  I don't have AppleScript 1.1
>>(Yet...It's coming Wednesday), but I bet that the "File IO" osax is probably
>>in there.
>
>Nope. The File IO osax is part of the Script Tools collection written by Mark
>Alldritt. You can find it--and a lot of other cool stuff--on
>gaea.kgs.ukans.edu. Check out the applescript directory.
>
>Happy scripting.
>
>pf

I should probably keep my mouth shut at this point, but Apple introduced a
file IO OSAX of their own in the AppleScript 1.1 release.  Unlike my File
IO addition which assumes you want to work with text files (a line at a
time), the Apple addition treats a file as a sequence of bytes.

The two OSAXs co-exist, so you pick the one which best meets your needs.

-Mark
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 18:27:26 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMakerPro dialog box problem

>Hello all!
>
>I am just starting out with Applescript and my first attempt is going a bit
>sour.  I'm trying to access records from FileMakerPro v2.1 from Hypercard
>2.2 (as it came bundled with ASv1.1) but I've fallen at the first hurdle.
>
>I can get the data and perform finds within FileMaker quite easily, and I
>can basically do everything I want to do (after one week with NO manuals
>etc!) as long as I manually open the FMP dbase BEFORE I run my HC stack.
>(BTW -  I did see someone was asking earlier how to do a Find via AS
>without having to use "canned" scripts within FMP, so if still interested
>just say so.)
>
>My problem is that when I call up FMP from HC via AS I get a dialog box in
>FMP (which remains INVISIBLE) but is asking for a FMP database to open.
>This hangs up AS until I manually clear off the dialog box.  I tried to
>open the application with a database file, but it still has to fire up FMP
>first.  I can bypass the dialog box by opening FMP from HC with a simple
>open command, but this is very UGLY as I then see the FMP log-on screen and
>FMP retains 'focus' (sorry I'm a PC man really, this Mac stuff is pretty
>new to me), and I have to manually get back to my HC stack.

One method:
Run a HyperTalk script which opens the FileMaker Pro DOCUMENT you are
interested in opening.  That's like double-clicking the FileMaker database
in the Finder.

There are other methods, involving any of several methods of talking the
Finder into opening the database.

Down the road, when Scriptable Finder is out, you will be able to say
something like

tell application "Finder" to open file "your database"


>As an aside, HCv2.2 SAYS it can build stand-alone applications from system
>7, and all the blurb's in the manual, and I even get SOME of the stuff they
>say when I try to "Save a Copy", but I DON'T get the pop-up list of
>File-Types as the manual states.  I'm using system 7.1 (which I would HOPE
>would be backwardly compatible with system 7????)  Any takers? Or should I
>post this question on the HC listserver?

I haven't the foggiest idea why you are having trouble.  I haven't yet seen
a file dialog without the popup, even just now when I made an empty new
stack and immediately did Save a Copy... .


--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 20:05:16 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "John W. Baxter" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: FileMakerPro dialog box problem

At 08:43 3/31/94 +0930, Paul J. Stoll wrote:

>I am just starting out with Applescript and my first attempt is going a bit
>sour.  I'm trying to access records from FileMakerPro v2.1 from Hypercard
>2.2 (as it came bundled with ASv1.1) but I've fallen at the first hurdle.
>
>I can get the data and perform finds within FileMaker quite easily, and I
>can basically do everything I want to do (after one week with NO manuals
>etc!) as long as I manually open the FMP dbase BEFORE I run my HC stack.
>(BTW -  I did see someone was asking earlier how to do a Find via AS
>without having to use "canned" scripts within FMP, so if still interested
>just say so.)
>
>My problem is that when I call up FMP from HC via AS I get a dialog box in
>FMP (which remains INVISIBLE) but is asking for a FMP database to open.
>This hangs up AS until I manually clear off the dialog box.  I tried to
>open the application with a database file, but it still has to fire up FMP
>first.  I can bypass the dialog box by opening FMP from HC with a simple
>open command, but this is very UGLY as I then see the FMP log-on screen and
>FMP retains 'focus' (sorry I'm a PC man really, this Mac stuff is pretty
>new to me), and I have to manually get back to my HC stack.

Paul,

   I was a bit flippant before in my response.  This script, as the button
script on a button in my test HyperCard stack, successfully launches
FileMaker, opening the indicated database (also a "toy", like the stack).

on mouseUp
    set theFolder to alias "Vashon:FileMaker:"
    set theDoc to {alias "Vashon:FileMaker:JWB"}
    tell application "Finder"
        open theFolder items theDoc
    end tell
end mouseUp

That script will end with FileMaker as the frontmost application.  I don't
know how to avoid FileMaker starting up in front with this sort of
script...you can certainly activate Hypercard right away.  But...see below.

You will note that the construction of the event is rather "strange".  The
whole original Finder suite is strange, as viewed with a knowledge of the
released, modern AppleScript.  Things changed a LOT (and for the better)
after System 7 Finder was frozen.  [Finder has accepted the event sent to
it by this script since System 7 appeared in May of 1991, and Finder was
pretty much frozen in terms of its Apple events well before that.]

Another oddity of the Finder Suite is that there is no reply to messages
like open ... items ... .  So I'm not sure that putting anything after the
tell "Finder"...end tell will give you any synchronization with what
FileMaker is doing...you may just have to delay for a while and hope for
the best.


And, yes...you really do have to create both the alias to the folder, and
the list of items inside the folder.  [The list can include more than one
item.]  That's true of those events in the old Finder Suite which refer to
particular icons in windows (things in directories).  The upcoming
"Scriptable Finder" ignores that old stuff, and does everything the modern
way (it still accepts the old events, but the modern ones aren't visibly
related to them).

   --John

--
[e-mail] (John W. Baxter)  Port Ludlow, WA
finger me to prove I'm all wet (Port Ludlow rainfall numbers).
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 20:43:46 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         James Edward Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: a request for contributions

Regarding your book.. you had mentioned to me that you were going to
mention my OSAX, and presumably the work of many other folks as well.
You might consider asking all the extras to take a look at your
manuscript and check the part particular to them, just to make sure
capabilities etc are correctly represented. (Not that I think you'd be
wrong, but things change etc)  =)
In the interest of completeness and correctness...

The other thing.. if you decide to include my OSAX on a floppy with it, please
let me know in advance, and Ill binhex a new version up for you with
a couple fixes and documentation annotations that people suggested.

Of course if you arent mentioning me, then this doesnt apply in my case,
but thought it was a helpful suggestion none the less.

later and good luck,
James
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 23:40:05 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Hypercard won't save

John "I have nothing better to do than answer email" Baxter ;) already
answered your FileMaker question, so I'll take a stab at the Hypercard
part.

>"Paul J. Stoll" <[e-mail]> asks:
>As an aside, HCv2.2 SAYS it can build stand-alone applications from system
>7, and all the blurb's in the manual, and I even get SOME of the stuff they
>say when I try to "Save a Copy", but I DON'T get the pop-up list of
>File-Types as the manual states.  I'm using system 7.1 (which I would HOPE
>would be backwardly compatible with system 7????)  Any takers? Or should I
>post this question on the HC listserver?

There is a bug which prevents this from working on machines with a 68000
(i.e. the Plus, SE and PowerBook 100).  You didn't say what machine you
have, but I'm taking bets that it is one of these.

Jon
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:46:14 +0000
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Jeremy Quinn <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Eudora Scripting Question

Fellow Scripters

I have mentioned here previously that I want to implement a ListServer with
the combination of Eudora 2 and Frontier 3. I have some specific questions
I need some help with.



PROBLEM 1

I need to add some extra fields to the Header of outgoing mail to make the
listserver more convenient. I want a header that says something like:-

From: [e-mail]
Originator: [e-mail]

...this is typical of listservers, you get info on where to make both
public or private replies...

I have found out how to change the "From:" field; ie.

on setMessageFrom (msgObj, msgFrom) {
        with objectModel, Eudora, eventInfo {
                return (core.set (id, msgObj.field["From"], msgFrom))}}

but

1. It can only be done while the message is in the Out Mailbox.
2. When you change the field contents, even under script control, Eudora comes
   up with a dialog box asking you to confirm the change.
3. I don't know how to add a non-standard field to the header,
   like "Originator:".


PROBLEM 2

I need to be able to keep and modify lists of subscribers to each list I
offer. I want to do this under script control. When someone sends a
subscribe request to my "Request" server mailbox, I want it handled
automatically.

I can find no AppleEvent mechanism for accessing the "Nicknames" database
in Eudora.

Am I going to handle this in Frontier? (Not an elegant solution).


I am sorry if these questions are too specific for this forum.

I have sent a duplicate message to Qualcomm (Eudora's publisher), and will
post their reply if anyone is interested.

cheers Jeremy

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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 08:41:42 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      new on gaea

You'll find a couple of new files on gaea today

ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/osaxen/DateCalculations.sit.hqx
ftp://gaea.kgs.ukans.edu/applescript/scriptableapps/AcidJazz1.1v1.sit.hqx

Come to think of it, I'm not sure whether AcidJazz is an app or not. I saw it
mentioned in Matt Ahren's scripts, so I went and snagged it. If it isn't and I
move it, I'll let everyone know.

cheers.

pf



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 08:44:54 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Addison-Wesley AppleScript books

For those of you who have been looking for the AppleScript Language Guide and
Scripting Additions Guide, I noticed them in a flyer I got from Computer
Literacy yesterday. (If you don't know about CL, it is a great bookstore on
the west coast--oops, just noticed they have one in DC.) The prices are 29.95
and 18.95, respectively, and the order numbers are CE568199 and CE568204. They
take assorted plastic.

Hope this helps someone.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fred Terry  Cadence Design Systems  [e-mail]  [phone]
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:42:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Kyle Barger <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Applescript 1.1 upgrade:  Worth it?

Sorry if I you talked about this earlier and I missed it.... I bought the
AppleScript Developer's Toolkit 1.0 from APDA back in December.  Price was
$199.  I just called them and they said the upgrade to version 1.1 is $99.
That seems a bit much for an incremental upgrade!  What are the new
features in 1.1?  Is it worth it?

--
Kyle Barger                         Haverford College Academic Computing
[e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 15:56:42 -0800
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Rob Dewhirst <[e-mail]>
Subject:      UNSUBSCRIBE APPLESCRIPT [e-mail]

UNSUBSCRIBE APPLESCRIPT [e-mail]
UNSUBSCRIBE APPLESCRIPT Rob Dewhirst
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Date:         Wed, 30 Mar 1994 14:55:34 PDT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         [e-mail]
Organization: Aldus Corporation, Seattle, WA
Subject:      NDN:Scriptable Finder -- will it "hide" apps?

Your mail to the Microsoft Mail Server could not be fully
delivered!   Reasons listed below!   It has been deleted.
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 16:31:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "Piercey, Chuck" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      UNSUBSCRIBE APPLESCRIPT

UNSUBSCRIBE APPLESCRIPT [e-mail]
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:42:13 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: Addison-Wesley AppleScript books
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Thu, 31 Mar 94 08:38:33 PST"

Steve,

>>For those of you who have been looking for the AppleScript Language Guide and
>>Scripting Additions Guide, I noticed them in a flyer I got from Computer
>>Literacy yesterday. (If you don't know about CL, it is a great bookstore on
>>the west coast--oops, just noticed they have one in DC.) The prices are 29.95
>>and 18.95, respectively, and the order numbers are CE568199 and CE568204. The
>y
>>take assorted plastic.
>>
>>Hope this helps someone.
>
>Do you have a contact phone number for Computer Literacy?
>

Geeeeeezzzzz, what a moron (he says with an imprint of his hand squarely
planted in the center of his forehead). I typed all of that in so people could
call. Grr. The phone number is 408/435-0744. Here this should make up for it:
the email address is [e-mail].

Sorry.

pf
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 10:45:43 -0600
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Fred Terry <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Re: reading the contents of a text file
In-Reply-To:  Your message of "Wed, 30 Mar 94 08:54:27 PST"

Carl,

>Is there any way I can get to gaea.kgs.etc via e-mail?  I don't have FTP
>access but my mailer's robust.

I'm not real clear on the function, but you can get ftp stuff via email. Send
the message

help

to [e-mail]. That should give you back the commands to get the
files. The first thing you'll want to get from gaea is /applescript/00index.
It contains all of the files on the site.

>Another Q: Is anyone interested in doing a digest form of this list?  30
>messages/day is a little too much, especially when they're short
>appendages to other short messages (like this one).

You can get a digested version of this list by sending the message

set macscrpt digest

to [e-mail]. After that, you will get one (1) a day with all of
the messages in it.

BTW, the admistriva messages that Andy and I send out are really useful.
Honestly. Scan them before you send them to the great bit bucket in the
sky for recycling. You might want to send the message

info refcard

to find out everything that the listserv can do.

pf


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pf = Fred Terry, The Summit Group, [e-mail], +1 913/841-1283

"Bad spellers of the world, untie!"
                                        --Graffito
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 15:49:04 EST
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         "William J. Jamison" <[e-mail]>
Subject:      file IO osax

"I should probably keep my mouth shut at this point, but Apple introduced a
"file IO OSAX of their own in the AppleScript 1.1 release.  Unlike my File
"IO addition which assumes you want to work with text files (a line at a
"time), the Apple addition treats a file as a sequence of bytes.

"The two OSAXs co-exist, so you pick the one which best meets your needs.

"-Mark


Choices, choices...Me being the traditional application type programmer,
I'll take the "line at a time" IO addition and do my own parsing if need be.
I suppose the other has it's uses, but for throughput sake...

Jami1
(Bill Jamison)  Kelso, WA
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Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 19:31:50 +0200
Reply-To:     Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
Sender:       Macintosh Scripting Systems <[e-mail]>
From:         Benno Palmert <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Change FM scripts from Fontier

The problem:
I have three printers: a LaserWriter IIg, a HP DeskJet 510
and a StyleWriter II. Every time I want to print in landscape format the
page margins are different on each printer and the layouts for printing
don't match as they should. To bypass this problem I created several
scripts which should change the layout used for printing depending on
the selected printer, to make it transparent for user's. I use FileMaker
Pro 2.0v2, Frontier 3.0.1 and the Rinaldi's Chooser 1.7 verb for finding
out the printer's name and then call the appropriate script to change
the layout.

The Frontier script is working so far, but it takes about 30 to 45 sec.
to call a different layout from Frontier in FM - in a test database with
only one record. How can I reduce the time for changing to a different
layout?

I want to import this script into the 2.0 RunTime.root but selecting the
RunTime application in FM under "Specify application", every time
"Unserland Frontier" appears and FM tries to look only for Frontier. FM
doesn't seem to recognize Runtime 2.0. Why? What is going wrong?

Thanks, Benno